Creating your own Country....

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Thought this was an interesting idea for those who have a creative bent .....

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/article2.htm

http://principality-of-minerva.wikiverse.org/

It even has it's own constitution
http://www.starshipaurora.com/minerva.html

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[Jas]

Free Minerva Now!

http://www.minervanet.org/freeminerva/


I like the pictures (implying that someone lived there )

:)

Jas

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I also like the request for donations ....

"Proceeds help free an occupied and captive land. Your gift helps this oppressed nation and strengthens the spirit of freedom....."

I wonder if they're talking about the turtles or the sand crabs ...

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[Jas]

"Proceeds help free an occupied and captive land. Your gift helps this oppressed nation and strengthens the spirit of freedom....."

I want to be in on this! Give me gifts to strengthen my spirit of freedom!

;)

Jas

[Lplate]

Meg Thatcher had the Falkland Islands to help her election campaign, so maybe Deputy John Howard could have his very own war with Tonga. Liberate it from Tongan terrorists.

Gotta be WMDs there (coconuts?). :D

Cripes, hope he doesn't read this forum. :eek:

[minerva]

I can understand the humor and skepticism, but there is some fact.

"It even has it's own constitution
http://www.starshipaurora.com/minerva.html "

Actually there is a Constitution, however that is certainly not it.

"Free Minerva Now!

http://www.minervanet.org/freeminerva/

I like the pictures (implying that someone lived there )"

Someone did, in fact, live there.

" I also like the request for donations ....

"Proceeds help free an occupied and captive land. Your gift helps this oppressed nation and strengthens the spirit of freedom....."

I wonder if they're talking about the turtles or the sand crabs ... "

There is a something, and someone, to liberate.

It's fine to mock or make fun, but please consider that the issue and place may actually be meaningful to someone, even though it might seem absurd to you.

Thanks.

[Spiderman]

It's fine to mock or make fun, but please consider that the issue and place may actually be meaningful to someone, even though it might seem absurd to you.



Agreed.

My best friend at school was passionate about a principality he created. At the age of 12 he planned its city, buildings, wrote its constitution, designed a system of governance, royal robes and crown, hierachy of nobles, honours system, family structures, religion, tax and environment policies and even a language, all immaculately documented on paper. Much was based on Ancient Greece and Rome.

Yes we might laugh at the modified ice cream container as a crown (had to be round - the square ones don't fit real well!). But as the positive thinking books say, the empire was as real to our self-appointed Emperor as it would have been had it really existed. He made it his reality and acted as if it was real.

He could have made a great property mogul, but despite buying a PPOR early in life and having one or two property investors in the family, entrepeneurship and capitalism (which he regarded as somewhat crass) weren't his strong points.

Regards, Peter

[handyandy]

Hi All

Some history about minerva

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/article2.htm

Cheers

[minerva]

My best friend at school was passionate about a principality he created. At the age of 12 he planned its city, buildings, wrote its constitution, designed a system of governance, royal robes and crown, hierachy of nobles, honours system, family structures, religion, tax and environment policies and even a language, all immaculately documented on paper. Much was based on Ancient Greece and Rome.

If one were to examine the realities of the situation and did the proper research, they would find that the administration has devoted immese time and resources to what some might consider the plaything of kids. Do people need to take up arms and fight to defend their land for you to consider it a "real cause?" Blood needs to be spilled in order to cement legitimacy? Is it less legitimate because the fight was done via civil and non-violent means? Does the size, scope or duration of a nation determine legitimacy?

The origins of the original government do not necessarily reflect the intentions of the new one. That is the notion behind revolutions all across the world. A nation is defined as a group or race of people that share history, traditions and culture; A people who share common customs, origins and beliefs. Minerva is a nation, by definition. Minervans share a common background, a common history, and a common vision. Scale, international importance, or duration of existance is not a real or valid measure of a people, just as the volume of violence is no true measure of freedom. Minervans are a people who have a common desire and unite behind a government of the people, chosen by the people, to acheive a common goal and reach a destination of liberty.

Whether you make think it bogus, hilarious, or absolutly nuts it does not change what it is, and it does not change who they are. They are a legitimate people with a legitimate and legal claim.

[Aceyducey]

There's been many groups who share history, traditions, culture and vision.

Do the scientologists or Amish deserve to be independent nations?

Remember Minerva from your comments; scale, international importance or duration of existence are not measureably important in the self-determinancy decision.

My family has a shared culture, history and traditions - does it have a legitimate right to self-government?

Legitimacy is a very hard concept to establish. In most cases it's not about common desire to unite but about how that common desire can be reinforced by force of arms or in a court of law.

Like it or not, no nation on earth exists purely on the basis that they wish to exist. All of them need the muscle to back it up (even the principality in WA).

Cheers,

Aceyducey

[minerva]

Those groups could be considered nations, you are correct. However, those groups do not have state of their own in their history.

Minerva has International Law backing it up, and people would realize that if they read the information on the site or did the legal research on their own.

Minerva met in the past, and acheives now, all of the requirements of statehood. Minerva was a sovereign nation - that cannot be argued - for a time, however breif. These people, who are a legitimate nation, who had and wants again their own state, have an honest to God legitimate claim to their territory.

You say that force of arms or law needs to back it up - diplomacy and the law does. Do they really need a war to make it complete?

[qaz]

WARNING WARNING TIME WASTER BELOW :p

http://www.nationstates.net/

funky little game where you can create your own country and be involed in international diplomacy.

[qaz]

WARNING WARNING TIME WASTER BELOW :p

http://www.nationstates.net/

funky little game where you can create your own country and be involed in international diplomacy.

Hey guys, check out my country :)

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/13696/page=display_nation/nation=qazmopolitan

[Beach Bum]

Maybe you could go and "Re-conquer" your nation?

But hang on, the poeple who founded it said they want nothing to to with it, so what then makes it yours?