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Spiderman
14-01-2006, 06:45 PM
Books that advocate an active approach to property selection (eg anything by Peter Spann) often suggest that long-term capital growth can be maximised by:

1. Buying in an area 'in transition'

2. Buying property that will appeal to those moving into the area

Today I visited two adjoining suburbs that can be said to be in transition.

Both are within 12km of the CBD, have a reasonable range of local facilities and for a long time were considered 'working class'.

Suburb A (the one slightly closer in) comprises streets of weatherboard houses. These houses are freshly painted, maintained well and most (though not all) have a matching picket fence.

Occasionally the streetscape is interrupted by some 1960s flats and newer townhouse type developments. However for the most part residents are doing up rather than knocking over their homes. Prices have risen sharply and though rough edges are still conspicuous, the area seems to be gentrifying. Land prices are fairly high and this is likely to be the main thing stopping developers from knocking down houses and rebuilding.

Just 100 metres away, on the other side of the road is Suburb B. Average house prices are $50k or maybe even $100k less than Suburb A.

B appears less desirable than A. It contains mostly concrete block housing commission homes with some timber houses as well. Both local strip shopping centres are graffitied and underused, there are few picket fences and little evidence of residents doing their houses up. Many could do with a mow and a paint.

However the developers have not been asleep. With much cheaper land prices than Suburb A they have been knocking down ex-commission houses and building modern townhouses, some clustered around run-down shops. Large industrial sites have sold and are now large-scale housing projects.

Suburbs A and B are both changing, but in different ways.

Residents of A are keeping their homes but doing them up and the result is quite attractive. There may be gentrification, with A becoming higher status and more expensive. This is being driven by residents moving in and out.

B is increasingly a mixture between new townhouses and old concrete homes. Due to its relative proximity to the CBD and its low average price, this trend is likely to continue, since developers can buy in B cheaper than anywhere else of equivalent distance and get bigger profits. Developers seem to be driving change here, though this must be in sympathy with buyer preferences or the product won't sell.

It's all well and good to advocate buying in areas that are 'in transition', but which sort of transition is best, A or B?

Now onto the second point of buying property that appeal to those moving in to (not out of) an area.

In the case of A, the heritage suburb, the choice seems easy; it's got to be a weatherboard house with a picket fence, like others in the street. Or something that can be converted to same. The 1970s dark brick monstrosity that everyone hopes will be knocked down won't do.

For B it's harder. Note that the number of concrete houses is slowly shrinking as developers move in. In contrast there are more new townhouses, and eventually the suburb may be dominated by them as the 'new wave'.

If you follow this 'new wave', then the newer townhouse might appear attractive. But for value for money (especially when considering land component) they are very poor compared to the old concrete house.

As the suburb becomes associated with townhouses rather than houses, families get smaller, schools close and the market associated with a traditional house might fall. So as a tenantable proposition the 1950s concrete house might not be that good.

But for the land component, the low price vis a vis the new towhouse, and the possibility that it will become sought after by some townhouse developer, the house might still have something going for it, even if it appears to be an oddity in a changing suburb and breaches 2 above.

Maybe it's best just to rationalise it as a form of 'land banking', since (unlike a new townhouse) the land component could well be 80-100% of the sale price.

Peter

lizzie
15-01-2006, 01:10 AM
personally i'd buy in B and mimic the bigger developers - knock down the old house and build myself 2-3 townhouses. double the rent without doubling the cost (get the land for #'s 2&3 for free).

but it all depends what you're after - cg or cashflow or both.

Spiderman
15-01-2006, 09:18 AM
personally i'd buy in B and mimic the bigger developers - knock down the old house and build myself 2-3 townhouses. double the rent without doubling the cost (get the land for #'s 2&3 for free).

but it all depends what you're after - cg or cashflow or both.

Thanks Lizzie. I'll assume that the aim is growth since based on the construction costs even two townhouses will be negatively geared.

A 1950s concrete house in Suburb B happened to be open yesterday when I was passing by. It's on 600 sq metres and the asking price was $220k. For this exercise, let's supposing it could be obtained for $200k.

Option 1: build two townhouses

To the above must be added other costs (stabs in the dark here):

- Stamp duty: $10k
- Demolition of old house: $10k
- Subdivision: $10k
- Interest paid waiting for all this to happen and during construction: $40k

Construction of townhouses (2 storey, 120 sq m total floor area @ $1500 per sq metre): $180 000 each, or $360 000 for two.

Total ($200k + $70k + $360k) = $630k or $315k each

Sanity check (compare with asking prices for off the plan 3br townhouses): $305k

Get $10k loss per house, but probably worse since sale price will be lower than asking.

Try to cut costs: buy vacant block for $150k and avoid demolition.

Cost per house drops to $285k each - maybe a slim profit if you're lucky :|

What about rental cashflow? $240 - 270pw, so <5% yield - nothing special.

Option Two: Buy three older houses and hold

For a similar budget as the townhouse development, buy and hold three concrete houses in same area and hope for capital growth.

Cost: 3 x houses @ $200k ea = $600k
Stamp duty: $30k
Minor renovations: $10k per house
Total cost: $660k (ie similar to townhouses and much less risk)

Total land owned: 1800 sq m (as opposed to 600 sq m for townhouses)

Rent per house: $180pw, ie $540pw total (better yield than townhouses)

Conclusion: This rough exercise shows that buying three houses and doing minor work gives better yield, more land and less risk than townhouses. Option 2 also has the advantage of being done gradually, ie buy a single house first and then others later if desired. Option One is most suited for large developers, developing 5 to 10 houses in one go and then reselling.

Peter

JNAM
16-01-2006, 08:41 PM
Hey All,
Just joined and was wondering what everyone thinks about purchasing a water front investment property/unit in Rivervale WA that has yet to be complete. The units are in stage 3 of development and will be ready 2007. All they require is a 10k deposit to secure one of the units. Does anyone have any input on the pros/cons of this sort of investment. The going price is $485k.

Also any thoughts about buying in Mandurah away from the beach (about 5 k's). Can get a decent property there just over 300k but what is it like trying to rent down there? Difficult or relatively easy to find tenants?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
JNAM

Ricardo29
16-01-2006, 08:51 PM
jnam.

i would personally be wary re rivervale. i assume you're talking on great eastern hway, near old sandringham pub and around there. theyre a dime a dozen....i i dont have much enthusiasm regarding them all...burswood development also going up at the moment adding to the sameness of it all (perhaps even oversupply).
not sure about any other perth locals. i just dont like that. i dont mind whats happening at burswood, but cant get excited about rivervale apartments. who could deal with that stretch of road anyway....

JNAM
17-01-2006, 02:39 PM
Ricardo29, thanks for the reply. I am not all that keen about it myself, but i sort of have this incling that both Rivervale and its neighbouring suburb are in need of a clean up and they are going to get it in the coming years - so I am sort of contemplating whether or not to go. I actually also wouldnt mind living in the apartment as I am still mid 20's and then perhaps look at vacating in 5 or so years if the value has skyrocketed to avoid CGT. Just thinking out loud here, still learning the game, so much to learn, but so much enjoyment in learning at the same time!!
Rgs,
JNAM

MichaelW
17-01-2006, 04:51 PM
Peter,

Sounds very cool either way. Once you've bought a handful and maxed out your borrowing power be sure and PM me the postcodes so I can replicate. :p ;)

I'm not much of a developer but am pretty handy at the odd Reno so would probably look at the picket fences in A.

Great stuff,
Michael.

simonjulie
17-01-2006, 06:17 PM
Hi All
Finding the next suburb to boom. I reckon it is not an exact science and it does not take a whole lot of effort unless you want to pick the best performer in the best suburbs. Simply find a suburb nearby that you like but can't afford the buy in price and then look to the next one down the list until you find a property with all the fundamental criteria required to make it a good investment and then BUY IT. :) the result will then be in balance with that investors physic.
Kind regards
Simon

Spiderman
17-01-2006, 07:26 PM
Simply find a suburb nearby that you like but can't afford the buy in price and then look to the next one down the list until you find a property with all the fundamental criteria required to make it a good investment and then BUY IT. :)

Due to the expense of A, that would mean the much cheaper B, the next suburb along.

Yesterday I had another look at Suburb B. Unlike Frankston North (where all the housing is pretty consistent throughout the suburb), I identified at least five distinctive pockets of housing stock just in the one small suburb.

Of the three ex-Commission types, there's a choice of concrete, VJ timber and weatherboard (horizontal).

The concrete homes are in the most 'industrial' area, were the messiest, so could possibly be picked up cheapest. Mildew can be an issue, but they're built tough, so are more tenant proof than the others.

However the horizontal timber type are most visually like the weatherboards in the more expensive suburb A (although there's still a fair difference) and have the best streetscapes, so would be my pick, all things being equal.

Peter