Why most of the large LPTs are owned by Pension Funds

Some forumites have mentioned they are investigating LPTs, here's my take on them, The ASX is a good place to do further research.

There are lots of different ways of generating an income after retiring. Investing in LPTs is a popular one. LPTs are Listed Property Trusts. They are a collection of one or more buildings owned by a trust. The trust is listed on the ASX, so it’s easy to buy or sell shares at a moments notice at low cost. The trust is managed by a professional team that handles tenant management, maintenance, upgrades, buying new buildings, vacancies, disputes, just like a residential property manager.

There are 3 main sectors that LPTs invest in – Retail, Industrial and Office. Most LPTs specialise in one of these, but there are some that are diversified across more than one sector.

Advantages
  • LPTs are relatively high yielding – currently about 7.0%-8.0%pa nett
  • Rents (& therefore distributions) are linked to CPI – the income (& capital) grows with inflation
  • Some of the biggest holders of LPT shares are Industry Retirement Funds
  • They have a well diversified tenants base – often 100’s of tenants
  • They have diversified blue chip tenants – eg Telstra, BHP, Big Banks, Woolies, Coles etc
  • They have staggered lease expiry dates – low vacancy risk
  • They have long term leases - often 10yr+
  • They are low risk – the big companies will always need somewhere to work from
  • They have low volatility – rent are consistent every month
  • They distribute either quarterly or half yearly – you get a cheque/direct credit 2 or 4 times a year
  • They are often partially tax deferred – which means you don’t pay tax on some of the income NOW, however if you do ever sell you pay (often 50% discounted) CGT in the future
  • IP investors should be comfortable investing in commercial property – it’s just different class of tenant!
  • The shares are liquid – you can sell them all by lunchtime & receive the cash 3 days later - try that with Res or Comm IP!
  • They can be borrowed against using margin lending (usually a max of 65-70% LVR) – you don’t lose leverage
  • Banks recognise the income for serviceability purposes -
  • They reduce the volatility of a diversified portfolio – you can keep some of your IPs
  • You can buy any amount of shares from $1 up
  • Entry & Exit costs or v. low usually less than 0.2%. Compare this with 3% stamp duty plus 3% agents fees plus legal costs, plus….
  • There are no holding costs – no land tax, property management fees
  • Low maintenance – no blocked toilets to fix on Sundays
  • Large asset base of several buildings usually worth > $1B
  • Diversification – sector, state, or global
Disadvantages
  • They only grow at roughly the same rate as inflation, not at above the rate of inflation as share or IPs asset may do. The upside of this is most people want consistent income each & every year that grows with inflation, so LPTs fulfil this need perfectly.
  • You aren’t in complete control – but if you’re retired that’s a good thing
  • Their price is based on their yield. As a v. rough guide they yield around 1.5% above the ‘risk free’ rate, this means that when interest rates go up, their 1.5% yield premium is maintained so their price goes down. And vice versa.
  • Some LPTs are diversifying into property development thereby increasing their risk profile.
  • Some LPTs are diversifying overseas with higher associated risks – exchange rates, low local knowledge
I’m not a financial advisor and this is my opinion only.
 
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Welch

'Australia's Top Property Trusts' by John Welch is also a resource.

Presently leafing through this book as I trade LPT's and I'm personally very fond of them.

As Keith mentioned they are high yielders so roughly half of your total gain will come in the form of income for the BAH's (Buy and Holder's).
 
keithj,

Since LTP's seem to yield 1.5% above the risk free rate, what are the potential downsides? I dont expect there to be many since the yield isnt that much higher, but you dont get +1.5% returns without a little downside risk to balance it out. Im curious to know (i know next to nothing about LTPs!)

-Steve
 
stretchy said:
keithj,

Since LTP's seem to yield 1.5% above the risk free rate, what are the potential downsides? I dont expect there to be many since the yield isnt that much higher, but you dont get +1.5% returns without a little downside risk to balance it out. Im curious to know (i know next to nothing about LTPs!)

-Steve

Retail, Industrial and commercial office are linked to the prevailing business economics. So a major downturn in business means no tenants i.e. no income.

Cheers,

The Y-man
 
stretchy said:
keithj,

Since LTP's seem to yield 1.5% above the risk free rate, what are the potential downsides? I dont expect there to be many since the yield isnt that much higher, but you dont get +1.5% returns without a little downside risk to balance it out. Im curious to know (i know next to nothing about LTPs!)

-Steve
Hi Steve,

The main risk is interest rates. If interest rates rise , then the 'risk free' rate increases. For the LPT yield to stay 1.5% above that, it's share price (on the ASX) must fall. If you're not selling, then this isn't a problem.

If interest rates keep rising, then 'savers' will be getting a better yield than LPT investors (who invested before the rises) for no risk. So if you expect interest rates to rise significantly, then don't invest in LPTs yet. Timing plays an important role.

There's all the other usual risks - currency, vacancy, disaster (9/11) etc. These are professionally managed through hedging, long leases, quality tenants.

KJ
 
keithj said:
Some forumites have mentioned they are investigating LPTs, here's my take on them, The ASX is a good place to do further research.

Keith,

Thank you for that detailed analysis/overview. I am looking at LPT's at the moment. Not for retirement income just yet, but as part of a diversfied portfolio. Had always "'thought"' they were high yielding and therefore a good offset for neg geared/growth assets, but wasn't too sure about the possible downside. I will be researching specific funds over the coming weeks

Thanks again

Paul
 
Would you be leaving those extra $$'s in a 100% offset account against a CF- ip portfolio or gearing into LPT's ?. In terms of cashflow(after tax), they would be even but LPT's probably have better growth prospects at the moment
 
WillG said:
Would you be leaving those extra $$'s in a 100% offset account against a CF- ip portfolio or gearing into LPT's ?. In terms of cashflow(after tax), they would be even but LPT's probably have better growth prospects at the moment
Hi WillG,

My view (at this stage of the cycle) is to have as many assets growing as possible. Any spare cash I have goes into margin loan account (which is effectively an offset against borrowings for shares/LPTs). LPTs are fairly stable compared to shares, so I like gearing into them. With a diversified portfolio, there is even more reason to gear as they are fairly counter cyclical to shares.

Also some LPTs have tax deferred distributions - either partially or fully. So you don't pay tax on (some of) the income.

Keith
 
To fully understand returns on Australian Listed Property Trusts you need to understand the tax treatment of trust distributions (specifically any tax deferred component of the trust distribution) and how any tax deferred component is treated under the Capital Gains Tax regime (assuming the trust units have been held for more than 12 months).

From http://www.asx.com.au/investor/lmi/how/property_trusts_tax.htm

"Tax deferral example
Listed Property Trusts

Returns from property trusts and Infrastructure funds can come from distributions (dividends) paid to investors and changes in the value of the properties held in the trust.

The tax deferred component is generally between 15% and 100% of the total dividend.

The tax deferred portion of the dividend reduces the investors cost basis, meaning investors do not pay tax on this portion of the dividend until they sell the trust and then at the concessional capital gains tax rate.

As an example, an investor makes a $10,000 investment in a LPT with an 8% dividend yield of which 40% is tax deferred.

Each year the investor holds the LPT:
$800 is received in dividends ($10,000 at 8%)
Tax is payable on $480 (60% of the dividend)
Original cost basis is reduced by $320 (40% of the dividend)
After 5 years the investor decides to sell the property trust at the market price of $11,500.

The original cost basis of $10,000 has been reduced by $320 each year for five years resulting in a new cost base of $8,400.
The sale price of $11,500 less the new cost base of $8,400 results in a capital gain of $3,100.
Under the concessional capital gains tax regime 50% of capital gains are taxable, therefore the investor will pay tax on $1,550 (50% of $3,100).
For simplicity, this example assumes no changes in dividends or the tax deferred portion of the dividends, in reality there are likely to be changes.

If over the holding period of the LPT the tax deferred dividends reduce the cost base to zero, then tax becomes assessable on the full amount of future dividends.

Stapled LPT securities can also generate franking credits since stapled securities are a combination trust with a related company and investors are entitled to franking credits generated through the company."

I am wondering what tax rate would be incurred on the deferred component of a distribution from an LPT to an SMF (Self Managed Super Fund) where the trust units were sold after 12 months (I assume this would be 7.5%-the SMSF tax rate of 15% X 50% for the concessional cgt treatment).

Also raises the issue of where units were held continuously (i.e. held by pty ltd company or personally) the tax deferred component of any LPT distribution would never be taxed yet the entity or individual holding the units could borrow against the income stream.

Is there a web-site that does a breakdown of the usual % tax deferred component of distributions from various Australian LPT's? I can see a margin lending strategy emerging from this where the units in LPT's with high % tax deferred distributions are purchased and held in perpetuity (though not by an SMSF which has restrictions on borrowing).


Ajax
 
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Hi Keith,

Great post.

I'm currently in two unlisted property funds (UBS Property Securities Fund and Vanguard Property Securities Fund).

I'm looking at selling all my managed funds and buying listed investment companies because of their lower costs, and I'm thinking of selling the above two unit trusts and buying into a couple of listed property trusts.

But looking through http://asx.com.au/investor/pdf/LMIPerformance.pdfthis list I see there are so many to choose from. Can I ask what your buy and hold preferences are?

Thanks.
 
Glebe said:
Hi Keith,

Great post.

I'm currently in two unlisted property funds (UBS Property Securities Fund and Vanguard Property Securities Fund).

I'm looking at selling all my managed funds and buying listed investment companies because of their lower costs, and I'm thinking of selling the above two unit trusts and buying into a couple of listed property trusts.

But looking through http://asx.com.au/investor/pdf/LMIPerformance.pdfthis list I see there are so many to choose from. Can I ask what your buy and hold preferences are?

Thanks.

Glebe,

Unless I am mistaken (and chances are I am), my understanding is that most "unlisted funds" of property trusts such as the Vanguard fund will in fact buy into LPT's.

Cheers,

The Y-man
 
Maybe you're right, I guess I'm not fussed whether they do or don't. What I am fussed about is reducing the MER whilst maintaining or increasing dividends and growth. I'm thinking the listed property trusts can help me here. It seems to help in the equities world (eg streettracks, Argo, AFI etc vs Colonial Imputation Fund etc).

I want to get out of the advisor fee, entry/exit fee, buy/sell spread driven model so LIC's and LPT's seem to be the way to go.
 
Hi Glebe,

If you don't want the hassles of selecting individual LPT's then StreetTracks listed Property Index fund is excellent. There is no doubt you may be able to get a better return by carefully selecting individual LPT's but that is a double edged sword in that if things turn sour then there is a significant negative impact on your portfolio. Index funds may only give average market returns but the risks to your investment from an individual stock going belly up are significantly reduced.

If my circumstances were different I would have most of my money invested in the better LICs, StreetTracks ASX 200 & Listed Property Index fund. No greedy fund manager charging hefty MERs with these companies. The MER's are incredibly low. Plus these have excellent management and their long term returns are fantastic. Their main objective is growing the dividend income stream for their shareholders.

Some of the long term proven LIC performers are: ARG, AFI, MLT, CHO & AUI along with a few others.

Having said this however I would be hesitant to invest too heavily in these at the moment. Their dividend yields are currently pretty woeful due to the effects of the bull market of the last few years. So just like property when the yields start getting low by historical standards it may be prudent to exercise some caution. Certainly drip feeding funds into LICs over an extended period whilst the market is so strong may reduce the risk somewhat. Of course this is not advice but just a personal opinion which may well prove to be wrong.

Cheers - Gordon
 
Glebe said:
But looking through http://asx.com.au/investor/pdf/LMIPerformance.pdfthis list I see there are so many to choose from. Can I ask what your buy and hold preferences are?
Hi Glebe,

In the past I've held MOF,MCW,DRT,WDC,ABP,MLE,MGQ,GPT,MGR,SGP IPG,MXG,AVJ.

ATM I particularly like ABP,MLE,WDC.
I think WDC will perform for the foreseeable future. Obviously they're into retail, so have some dependancy on that cycle.
MLE has grown well & its forecast to continue. (You get a free pass to Dreamworld too!)
ABP is a bit higher risk as they do development, relatively small, management is proactive (& approachable), also diversified, into funds management, with slightly higher yield.

To make your research is bit easier initially, ignore the ones < $500M, decide what sector (retail,ind,office,leisure) you think will is due for an upswing & look at LPTs in that sector.

And the ASX200 Property Index is tracked by SLF

If you're a trader, see my LPT dividend stripping post.

And just to emphasise my investment timeframe will never be the same as anyone elses, so don't base any decisions on anything I ever post:).

Cheers Keith
 
austini said:
Having said this however I would be hesitant to invest too heavily in these at the moment. Their dividend yields are currently pretty woeful due to the effects of the bull market of the last few years.
Hi Gordon,

I've found expensive LICs (relative to their NTA) to be one of the indicators of an overvalued market. LICs usually trade below NTA. When fund managers can't find value they park funds in the quality, low volatility LICs? I don't think this is especially important, but just a tiny piece of the big picture.

Cheers Keith
 
Hi Keith,

Thanks for your reply. Judging from many of your previous posts here on Sommersoft you have researched these areas well.

Yes the NTA is also a consideration and the astute buyer will take advantage of buying "quality" LICs when they are trading at a discount. For a longer term investor buying at a premium occasionally is probably not too much of a concern given the timeframe. But like all assets if you can buy them at a discount then that's certainly a bonus. So in addition to the overall market, the LIC's long term performance and its NTA I still like it to have a reasonable yield.

Cheers - Gordon
 
Keith

What are your thoughts on investing in property index funds such as Streettracks or Vanguard? Rather than directly into LPTs.

Pros? Cons?

Regards

Luke
 
FrankGrimes said:
What are your thoughts on investing in property index funds such as Streettracks or Vanguard? Rather than directly into LPTs.
Hi Luke,

Buying the index removes much of the company risk, it's all sector risk. However, note that WDC forms a 30% of the index, SGP & GPT 10% each.
The yield is currently around 7.5%, you can get better by buying specific LPTs.
I'd probably go for SLF mostly because I know nothing about Vanguard.
If you're patient, you can get a slight discount when buying SLF (& premium when selling) due to the spread.

Cheers Keith
 
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