Sydney - Don't bet your house on it...but it can be cheaper to buy.

The gap is narrowing between renting and buying in Sydney, prompting first-home owners to take the plunge into the property market. If buyers take out an interest-only loan, it can be cheaper to buy than to rent.

A combination of slashed interest rates, increasing rents, falling house prices and generous first-home buyer grants means that for the first time in many years, buying has become an economical option.

Agents are reporting large numbers of first-home buyers at property inspections.

Figures compiled by The Sun-Herald show that repayments for a median-priced property of $536,000 in Sydney - taking into account the most recent rate cuts - are $592 a week. A similar-priced property can rent for between $450 and $550 a week.

If the buyer takes out an interest-only loan, the repayments fall to $461 a week - about the same as, or cheaper than, renting.

Australian Property Monitors' senior economist, Liam O'Hara, said conditions were advantageous for first-home buyers. "The gap is narrowing [between buying and renting]," he said.

Interest rates have fallen 4 percentage points since September, while federal and state government first-home buyers grants have been boosted to a maximum of $24,000 for new properties.

Also, Sydney house prices fell 4.2 per cent last year, while landlords increased rents by 16.9 per cent, according to APM data.

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Some major issues with this article. Firstly it doesn't mention the additional costs of ownership such as insurance, council rates, water rates, ongoing maintenance, strata fees (if applicable). These costs are significant. The other issue is the impact if interest rates rise. Will the FHO be able to afford the repayments if interest rates go up to 7%. What if they go back up to 9%. These sort of articles are in my opinion creating a lot of panic for people to get into a house. I've paid off my house (actually it was given to me by my parents so never had any debt anyway - well let's be even more technical the trustee of the trust owns it) so not concerned at all whether interest rates go to 0% or 100% but I am concerned for those who are committing $500K and barely scraping by.
 
Yeah all those things are true and put it together with job security.

If you have never put your neck out it never gets chopped off but for many people, if they don't take a chance they just can't get into the market.
I agree with BV the market in Sydney is at least looking achievable just now, so well worth considering.
 
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That's my concern BV. With the current grants availble they may be able to get a loan as they can "just" service the loan with a 5% interest rate. Agreed credit is tightening so many of the fringe purchasers who would have got a loan 1 year ago no longer can which is great news. Even worse one person loses their job or is out of work for a few months. I think we have only just started to see unemployment levels rise. So many young people got worried a few years they would miss out on property and now they are running into it without really thinking about the long term costs. If they are all getting wonderful deals then this is great but the article talks abou FHOs purchasing $500K properties. Once the economy does improve the first thing that will go up with it are interest rates. I agree with Jenman's latest statement "Yes, we are certainly headed for a bull boom in 2009.But, really, it should be called a boom in bull."
 
coastymike

There are plenty of houses selling for half the amount used in the example.


Edit: And plenty of units selling for less than half
 
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Yes but not close enough to the beach and some people are too precious to live in a unit. :D

Yes but we aren't talking about people who want to live close to the beach ;)

We are talking about people who are renting units/houses for say $250 per week which was bought for like $132K in today's market :D
 
We are talking about people who are renting units/houses for say $250 per week which was bought for like $132K in today's market :D

Eternit

Can you still find $132K places & renting @ $250/w?

I did a search and it seems to me that prices have moved already

cheers
 
Eternit

Can you still find $132K places & renting @ $250/w?

I did a search and it seems to me that prices have moved already

cheers

Yes true, they have moved since oct/nov last year but still such deals come up (very rarely though) and you have to be very fast as they get sold instantly....
 
BV very hard to find them now.... stil there if you look extremely hard.

Eternit, found some great deals lately, one he missed out on this weekend was new, 10km from city, booming area, good area, 2 bedder $280k, rent $490pw, sold in 06 for $499k...

crazy stuff, but very rare offerings now days.

looking forward to seeings some good CG in 2009 :)
 
You must be talking about a shoebox 40m2 studio apartment if its Sydney. No deals at that price are worth having imo. To me thats scraping the barrel bottom as far as property investing goes.


Yes but we aren't talking about people who want to live close to the beach ;)

We are talking about people who are renting units/houses for say $250 per week which was bought for like $132K in today's market :D
 
There are no shortage of people borrowing at the limit of their affordability. At the low interest rates we have now, gonna be plenty of trouble in a couple of years.

They should be doubling current interest rates and base their borrowing capacity on that.

Good point Mike but those people won't be able to get a loan.
 
You must be talking about a shoebox 40m2 studio apartment if its Sydney. No deals at that price are worth having imo. To me thats scraping the barrel bottom as far as property investing goes.

Try again.....Its a 2 bedroom unit in a complex of 8 with a carport and strata of ~$280 p/q.
 
Thanks Nathan

Eternit
how do you find these deals?
Do you have someone local who helps you?

Hi BV,

I look at particular areas and search them to death on the net, most of my properties I buy are site unseen (just photos) but I have seen them all now and I am more then happy with them.

I talk to lot of agents but only on phone.
 
Can you enlighten me as to where in Sydney you can buy a 2br apartment with carport for $132k that rents for $250 per week?

The cheapest i could find is absolute 2br rubbish around Kingswood!!! or Mt Druitt and surrounding areas for about $150k.

Why you would want an IP in these areas is beyond me. Still bottom of the barrel IMO.

Also i dont know where you got your yield from.

These cheapies renting for $165pw , $175pw, $180pw & $195pw respectively.

http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2007336241

http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2007600898

http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2007336241

http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2007266934

So, cant find anything at close to $132k that rents for anything near $250 per week. Also, dont forget strata fees.





Try again.....Its a 2 bedroom unit in a complex of 8 with a carport and strata of ~$280 p/q.
 
Can you enlighten me as to where in Sydney you can buy a 2br apartment with carport for $132k that rents for $250 per week?

The cheapest i could find is absolute 2br rubbish around Kingswood!!! or Mt Druitt and surrounding areas for about $150k.

Why you would want an IP in these areas is beyond me. Still bottom of the barrel IMO.

Also i dont know where you got your yield from.

These cheapies renting for $165pw , $175pw, $180pw & $195pw respectively.

http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2007336241

http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2007600898

http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2007336241

http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=2007266934

So, cant find anything at close to $132k that rents for anything near $250 per week. Also, dont forget strata fees.

I bought one.....approx 20km from cbd.

So that rules out the areas you mentioned ;)

Also just because they are listed for $150K or even $200K doesn't mean they will be selling for that price.....

All depends on the vendors situation.
 
I was referring to this post. And how about those amazing yields huh.:D

We are talking about people who are renting units/houses for say $250 per week which was bought for like $132K in today's market :D

By the way, they were the cheapest units i could find in Sydney. 20km from the CBD must be around Campsie,Auburn etc and they are closer to $200k than $132k.
 
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