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Also helps explain the rise and rise of China over the recent period. You would have to say that Western democracies have shown themselves to not be up to meeting the demands of the last few decades compared to a well run single party State. Now any tariff retaliation for China's currency...

Looking again this may be our source of disagreement. "Economic refugees" don't qualify for asylum so there is no threat of millions qualifying to come to Australia. And yes it sure would be nice if we could establish a mechanism where genuine refugees don't have to arrive by boat...

Hi Ausprop I guess there is some potential middle ground here - perhaps we could do a little more than we currently do so as to pull our weight with the rest of the world with what is an international problem. I haven't done sufficient research to come up with a number but I would have...

Agreed. I guess what threw me was equating "non-materialism" with "masochism". I see them as completely separate. The fact that you get enjoyment from a walk on the beach or a spot of gardening instead of a plasma TV doesn't make you a masochist! :)

Hi Bill No apology necessary - the statement was quite wrong. As to the rest of what you say, I couldn't agree more.

Hi Spiderman I'm wondering what you are referring to here? From my recollection Dr Hamilton is relatively mainstream in his views? At least compared to Peter Singer...? Interestingly, the correlation is particularly high with level of education. This is what gives them some credibility...

Hi Bill The reason I know a little about this subject is because some of those very close to me have worked closely with (genuine) refugees so I am intimately familiar with their stories and the impact those stories have on who they get told to... Please read my post carefully - I was...

Agreed. They don't really define their population policy because that would highlight the inherent conflict between their "green" position and their "left wing" position. Too hard - so just sweep this issue under the carpet like everyone else with some nice motherhood statements! However...

Hi TC Note those policies only discuss asylum seekers. Asylum seekers currently represent an insignificant proportion of all immigration and could increase orders of magnitude without making much of a dent. Note that you have to actually be a genuine refugee to qualify for entry under that...