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Hi gents - a few points: - I agree the Carbon Tax should have gone to an election and the electorate is right to be aggrieved at being misled / lied to. I can't see why Gillard couldn't have just pushed back on the Greens on the three year fixed price thing - I mean what were they going to do...

Hi Peter. To answer your questions: - Many people here don't have any faith in the peer reviewed scientific process. To them any action on climate change is foolhardy. I'm not in that camp and don't engage in discussion about the science (alarmist or sceptic) after the evidence I've seen...

Peter - I don't understand the link you're making here. The demise of food processing in Australia occurred without the Carbon Tax. Carbon pricing makes little to no difference to this issue - it's just not an energy intensive industry and a 10% increase in the cost of energy will hardly touch...

Neil You're not helping your cause. There is no soot from natural gas power plants and yet there is a tax on them. There is no soot from coal power plants with appropriate electrostatic precipitators / baghouses on them (the vast majority in Australia) and yet there is a tax on them...

All explained here... It's not a shortlist to pay the tax - whether you are on the list or not is not relevant to whether you are a liable entity, which depends on how much you emit. The list provided to date is only the ones they are certain about and there are no issues with being wrong...

No, entities are deemed liable if they or the total of all their subsidiary companies emit over the threshold. If the subsidiary company goes over the threshold by itself then there is no need to go further up. If subsidiary companies are each below the threshold then the liability falls on...

But the closest thing to what you seek can be found here... It's still only a guess, but a pretty good one!

I very much doubt it Dazz. I'm not aware of any definitive list in the public domain and I very much doubt we will ever see one. Just as there is no definitive list of liable entities for the GST, Company Tax, Payroll Tax, Renewable Energy Target, MRRT, etc etc etc. Government never publishes...

http://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/FactSheet-CarbonPriceMechanism-WhoIsLiable.pdf

Meanwhile, back in the real world, David Cameron's Conservatives in the UK have just introduced a draft Energy Bill to Parliament which amongst other things, - Bans new generators emitting over 450kgCO2/MWh, which is well below what coal plant can achieve without carbon capture and storage -...

I used to be concerned about this but now I disagree strongly. Many have been under-estimating Tony Abbott since he took up the top job for the Coalition. He has proven them resoundingly wrong. He has impeccable conservative credentials afters years defining the far Right of his party so he...

That quote is more than just a little dated Belbo and made in the context of the heat and light surrounding a very recent leadership change. There has been more work done on the Coalition's climate policy since that time. Malcolm Turnbull supports it. As for policy integrity, I have no idea...

Unfortunate for him then that he has already said "There will be a 5% reduction in emissions from the Australian economy by 2020 under a government I lead". Belbo may be right - it's a well trodden path. But it's a very high risk strategy given the importance of the issue in the electorate...

That may or may not be the case. It's certainly not his policy position - direct action is his policy, brought in when he assumed the leadership. But either way I'm genuinely interested in how you see him getting past the little problem of lying to the Australian people if he does go down such...

Interesting Sunfish. Do you think the Direct Action policy of the Liberal party, to impose a 5% reduction in Australian emissions on our economy by 2020, is likely to change before the next election, given how well it has served them to date in the electorate? Do you think the policy is...

A successful result for the Coalition from such an election would have proven that the majority of Australians didn't want a Carbon Tax. It would also have proven that the majority of Australians do want to impose a 5% reduction in emissions on the Australian economy by 2020, as this is the...

Agreed. I think Belbo needs to re-read my post. Abbott has made a point of ensuring his electability on nearly every issue, from Maternity Leave to Direct Action. There is no evidence of him going to the far right and certainly no evidence of him not being electable. Please don't mistake...

Is this thread still going? Yes well by now I think we all know your opinion on this matter. Unfortunately for you, your opinion is very much in the minority. The overwhelming majority of Australians support action on climate change, as evidenced by the policies of all the major political...

As personal accusations have been levelled against me (again) I feel entitled to respond, as follows: - I have disclosed my interest in the large scale renewable energy industry many times on this forum, including very recently. - This is in sharp contrast to the many posters here who I suspect...

Considering the (tens of?) thousands on one side of this debate and the three or four on the other, I can only agree with you.