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"Absolute collapse" I'd take to mean >60% And >30% happened in a few markets with the FHBG and stimulus. But you can always bury your head in the sand and not waste your time. I was an absolute noob at one time, now I'm a more experienced noob. But this is where we disagree. They got smashed by...

That's always my point. What you get here is an opinion, or an experience NOT advice. Yet day after day of noob posts asking for "advice":confused: that's what you get from lawyers, not a forum. A few years ago it's worst, so I stopped posting. So many posting as "experts" here to help...but...

Well to me this looks like a common noob dummy spit. As if someone who achieved anything owes a noob something. Gee, just like all those who sell books, hold seminars, sell advice and post here. They are not here to help. And experience has clearly shown that when things get tough, most...