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These states already do... (Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative) California, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Maryland, These states are about to start on the 1st January 2012 (6 months before us): (Western Climate...

The fact that the Europeans are doing it for $10/tonne doesn't make you question your previous statement that it would take $40/tonne here? Low carbon prices in an ETS mean the required emissions reductions can be achieved cheaply. Surely this is a good thing? And the fixed price period...

On the former, plenty of countries are enacting real policies on climate change. The fact that a global carbon trading market doesn't exist outside Kyoto and CDM is irrelevant in that context. On the latter point, this is the precise nub of the argument around how much is it all going to...

Hi Dazz Thanks for posting this. If it wasn't for issues such as carbon I would agree with you - the choice would be simple. The problem is the Liberal party has always been torn in half between the "liberals" (who founded the party) and the "conservatives" (who don't yet have a viable...

What was it again that Mr Abbot was prepared to sell in order to become PM? I forget... He would have done any deal to get there, if he could. The problem was both the Greens and indies knew where the safer pair of hands were for delivering on such promises. As demonstrated by very recent...

This is legislation, which can be changed (or removed!) if and only if both houses of parliament agree to the change. There is no loss of sovereignty - such talk is nonsense.

Except of course, that this is a policy that Tony Abbott also supports, just like he supports a 5% reduction in GHG emissions by 2020. Maybe Katter's Australia party would be an option for your vote at the next election if you don't like it? BTW, I actually agree with you - I find income...

It's a common reaction when you lose. And in this case there's next to no hope of getting a repeal through the Senate for a couple of parliaments. By which time the scare campaign will have been revealed for what it is. And what possible relevance is a carbon price to solar panels? The...

Oh look, it's the law! :) And yet the world still turns, who'd have thunk it?

Interesting thread. I only have two points to make. The first is to point out the difference between facts from opinions. I don't know how much time you guys spend reading peer reviewed scientific journals on climate science but for those that do, the evidence within them is indeed...

Oh that's alright Dazz. For awhile there I was worried that you disagreed about whether climate change was happening and whether the best way to respond to it was through taxing emissions rather than income. Good to see you don't disagree about that. Novar, as the OP expressly didn't want...

Did you even read your own link? Seriously... I don't know what you said in the other thread (which?) so can't respond to that. To reduce income tax! And reduce the tax free threshold! Reducing the admin burden on the ATO in the process. You guys seem to think that there is no...

Perhaps I should repeat myself...

There are many ways to skin this cat and it's impossible to predict the outcome of such a global scheme. It could be as simple as an agreement that every govt sources 20% of its income by taxing carbon in whatever form they like. This would see high carbon prices in countries with low...

Same way they are now - tax cuts in other areas. In an ETS, local or global (this one or another one), govts still makes money from issuing the permits. They can then use this income to decrease the tax burden on the community in other areas, like income tax and pensions in this case. In a...

Which is well on the way to being fixed due to government intervention and regulation banning the use of CFCs. Without govt action, the hole would have just kept getting bigger. Remember how the cost of aerosols was going to go through the roof because we would now have to use hydrocarbons...

Completely wrong. Read the Productivity Commission report. Seriously - just read it. It won't bite! Someone said $400/tonne? That would make solar panels (one of the most expensive forms of carbon mitigation) economic in the shade! Seriously, where do people get these numbers?

This issue was first debated in the House of Representatives in 1988. Finally legislation passes the House in 2011. I've been watching the debate carefully all of this time - it has been a very long road to taking the first step. One can only hope the next steps won't be quite so difficult...

That's a deliberate misrepresentation of what I said. There are a myriad of responses to climate change used around the world, not just carbon taxation (or more accurately in our case - an ETS). The scale of this response would only serve to enable us to keep up with the scale of the efforts...

Funny how these perceptions arise. If this was so important then why is the Coalition's policy to impose exactly the same reduction in our emissions as is currently being proposed in this package? Anyone answer me that? Without this Australia is very much a laggard in responding to climate...