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... and with that, I don't think there's any more value to be had here either - it has reverted to the same old arguments once more. Thread closed.

It is a problem when genuine non-coffee-lounge threads are derailed by anyone into an anti-men/anti-women/anti-anything rant-fest. These recent threads in the coffee lounge are actually split from such threads and the fact that they were derailed is a big problem - it prevents reasonable...