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why am i not surprised :rolleyes:

your math is wrong what percentage of alcohol consumers are addicted to it? how does it compare to drug consumers?

for them to carry drugs out, someone must've imported them in and sold it to them. now i somehow doubt that this someone only sells drugs to aussies and refuses service to locals

i don't need to. you are obviously talking **** that's been published in the media as part of this smear campaign, so i have no interest in continuing this conversation, unless you can provide concrete examples

they certainly won't be running drug syndicate from prison anymore. also one other thing i would like to see is proceeds of the crime seized in australia.

you do know what a concrete example means, don't you? it means providing a reference to a case with names, circumstances etc. the only concrete example in that article was of a girl which they were trying to save from beheading. unrelated to drugs. the rest is just water

nothing stopping them from running a drug syndicate from inside the prison. they haven't given up any names, which indicates they are still involved

i was after concrete examples, not general statements and opinions

well indonesians used force to save lives here. not sure what you are whinging about then

i don't recall indonesia pleading for clemency for drug traffickers. would you care to point out an example? aside from that, nobody is disputing the right of australia to plead for clemency, provide support etc. that doesn't mean that clemency should be granted.

really? so you think our troops just give them pamphlets on how to behave nice? last time i checked, they used real bombs and guns my comparison just shows that your comments about sparing lives etc are just complete and total BS. because now you started introducing ifs and buts, and as soon...

so does drug trafficking. in Indonesia's eyes, those two are mass murderers. hence the death penalty. now in Australia, we are quite happy to send our troops to fight ISIS, where they kill other people with no trial or anything, sometimes innocent civilians etc. nobody calls them...

why not ?

blah blah blah :rolleyes: there is no evidence demonstrating the death penalty makes no difference. read your own article, it says it there in plain english that there is no evidence to back up any position, simply because we don't know what the crime rate would be if different punishment was...

someone should write her a letter on behalf of all the parents whose children are victims of her son's greed, and have to suffer the loss of loved ones just like she does.

and the other 7. none of the 9 deserve clemency and each deserves their punishment

you're just digging your hole deeper and deeper. bali 9 includes bali 2.

clemency is not a box of chocolates that people can just gift to someone by itself. it relates to a certain punishment. if people don't think that clemency should be granted, it means they agree with the punishment. like i said, you are showing your poor comprehension skills once again

like i said, zero difference, because you are arguing that we shouldn't be behaving like criminals. now you are saying that in one case we shouldn't be behaving like criminals, but in another it's ok. hypocrisy much?

i think this is again the case of you displaying failure to comprehend written text. majority of people voted that they shouldn't be spared from death penalty. which means they deserve to die.