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Each year, a smaller percentage of adults believe the Global Warming hoax, and that's what it is. We all agree that we are degrading our planet every year though so why don't we prioritise where we spend our resources? If you still believe the world is undergoing unprecedented warming...

As is any rebuttal. There is a moat with sharks and crocs between the two camps.

I am not sure what non-interventionalist policy will get us back to 20% less CO2 emissions than we did in in 1980. [Is that the benchmark? Who cares?] There is a lot to like about "the old times" but austerity wasn't part of it!

My reading suggests that a number nothing like 500 has been shortlisted to start paying the tax. ps What's "negligent" about doing business? Why don't we all just take in each others' washing? [Or considering the forum "rent out houses to one another"?]

Being neither, I must take your word for it.

Belbo, in point order, give me 10 criteria of a conservative. If you throw the term around, you must be able to define it. I ask so I deny the majority of them. Edit: Nothing wrong with being a conservative! Or was that Gay?

Dumb assumptions. I am definitely NOT a conservative. Anyone right of Stalin would object to our current gov.

Belbo will ague ANYTHING! Let's not feed the trolls.

Belbo. I never have, nor will I ever call the PM "Juliar". Is it too much to expect a little respect from the rusted-ons or is the blind hatred so ingrained?

So you were only pretending that you don't like insults. You rather like them it seems.

You take everything so damn literally. You are just arguing because you enjoy it. I cannot know what Turnbull believes and I have never charged him with being as mercenary as Gore but once a Goldman Sax banker, always one. Gore is definitely a scamster. A liar, if you like. You haven't...

Time to do some reading Belbo. It's out there.

I'm saying they are there for the money, not the ideology. They are the billionaires that you hate, why do you trust them on this? I don't hate billionaires, I just don't want to be scammed.

Turnbull is a banker. He has a different agenda than you and I. More closely aligned to Gore, who isn't a socialist either. Would it be better if I more clearly defined what I meant? All the foot soldiers of the green/warmist movement that I have met are attracted to the politics of AGW...

Ah! Bomber Beasley. I liked him but he didn't make it BECAUSE he was a nice bloke. If you are casting your net beyond the current protagonists on the federal stage I am impressed with "Can Do". He has put his stamp of authority on things already with surprisingly little objection. A few...

Belbo, why did you bristle at my inference that you are a socialist interested in wealth redistribution? All the lefties I've met never resile from the fact. They call me a capitalist, I call them a communist [that was in the days I was actually a labor voter] and we progress to more...

I have never seen polling that gives one party 51% of the primary vote before. I'm not so naive to think that would be uniform but it does mean green preferences will be irrelevant in an awful lot of seats. My interest is now on what may occur in the Senate. It is far too complex for me but I...

Re-read what you said. You are making a political case which is OK by me. Just don't abuse me because I am trying to make a factual/logical case. I am avoiding the word "scientific" deliberately because I am not a scientist. I do however have some understanding of physical systems.

There are thousands of people with science backgrounds that you are disagreeing with. If it is not because you assume to know more than they, it could only be because you deny their existence. All warmists do.

My position is clear. I have read widely on the topic and I'm willing to defend my position with reason and logic. There is no possible counter to someone who doesn't claim to have read but says you are wrong anyway. The carbon tax [and the mining tax] IS a socialist wealth redistribution...