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  1. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    ...and it begins again.
  2. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    NAB issued in sterling, which swapped back to AUD will be BBSW plus about 175. CBA issued locally in AUD at a price of BBSW plus 175. BBSW is around 4.50% All up, 6.25%ish
  3. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    It seems to high because it is really expensive money. BBSW is around 4.50 today, so I'll leave you to do the math....
  4. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Short version and at the risk of grossly oversimplifying, if you want to "use" money raised OS to fund your Aussie operations, you need to swap them back into AUD. As a result, your LIBOR plus 145 will end up as something like BBSW plus 175 which is about what it cost CBA to raise $...
  5. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Crazy. And then you start to do the maths on what unsecured bonds might now price at.....
  6. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    So my good friends at CBA just issued $3.5B in covered bonds with a 5 year term at 175bp over bank bills. That's around the 6% mark, people. For secured borrowings!
  7. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Lazy effort but had to get on a plane...will be more reflective in due course ;)
  8. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    There's that glitch in the Matrix again. One misstep to an Aussie bank calamity Directors of Australian banks will need to make some hard decisions given what is happening to their counterparts in Europe. If our banks make the correct decisions, the events in Europe will not cause an...
  9. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    So a couple of weeks pass and the sense of "we've been here before" hasn't abated. Covered bonds, which were to be a cool new source of funds and take the pressure off locally, have proved expensive and less popular than hoped.ANZ and Westpac end up paying the equivalent of 150bps over bills...
  10. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    It's a mistake to assess the cost of borrowing in foreign currency just by the interest rate. Telstra's USD 4.8% is not the same cost of money as 4.8% sourced locally in AUD.
  11. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Bonds are an IOU issued by an entity but usually not specifically "secured" by a specific asset. RMBS (as a general proposition), are IOUs secured against a specific asset (i.e. mortgages in a trust) . Covered bonds are a combination of each. The question of whether you'd buy one over the...
  12. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    I prefer not to imagine the Germans singing anything. Which reminds me: The Germans
  13. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    I know Mr Joye rather well and I can dispel any notion that he and Shad are the same person ;)
  14. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Perhaps we could invite the Germans to take over Italy, Spain and Greece, but this time without all the Blitzkreiging. Given they're likely to be paying for them anyway, it only seems fair.
  15. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Righto. I think I see what you did there. So, According to RPData's fancy AVM tools, my place is up 30% YOY. My place is in Australia 2011 has seen a substantial property boom in Australia Neat!
  16. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    No...you said: I called ******** on your assertion of a post-GFC Austrlalian property boom. Not personal attacks, young fella. Just pointing out the obvious.
  17. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    The relationship between the OCR and bank funding costs have been in a state of disconnect for some time. It's not outside the realms of possibility that, if things get nasty globally, a 25bp reduction in the OCR in Feb could be followed by increases in bank lending rates, not decreases :eek:
  18. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    During GFS phase 1 the Big Issue was that banks suddenly couldn't be sure if their counter parties (other banks) had exposures that meant they might not be able to repay their debts. So they stopped lending to each other and the world financial system came to the brink of collapse...
  19. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Exactly the point I was making. I think because the signs were there in 07 for a few months before the market imploded completely, including a rapid blowout in RMBs spreads, the principal of "panic hard, panic early" seems to be top of mind atm. If it does go as badly as some are saying...
  20. Token Funder

    It's deja vu all over again.

    Of you don't beleive there has been a material and ongoing change to credit appetite and growth in Australia since 08 you are getting to world-beating levels of cognitive dissonance. For the safety of others, please stay away from windows and crowds. The relevance of the quote is simple...
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