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It IS costing people more, I agree. But not to the extent that you are claiming. That's my point. It's easy for opponents of the tax to blame everything bar the Kennedy assassination on the new tax, when, in reality, most of the rises in electricity and gas prices are for other reasons...

You raised the environment bro, not me.

The extra increase that you can't define! Can I ask, is your annual income above or below $80,000?

Is she??? She is MUCH worse off politically. And high income earners such as the PM are not better off financially, because thte 30% tax rate went to 33%. Sure, but do it ACCURATELY. You started off the thread saying your strata fees had gone up $75 a qtr solely due to the carbon tax. When...

Can I ask what council CJay?

If you are in SA, as your ID suggests, your council rates and water rates should have gone down, not up. Mine have.

And how much carbon are you using on a weekly / monthly / yearly basis?

As pointed out previously, you don't know if the bills have risen because of the carbon tax or other factors. And stop whinging about not receiving compensation.

No she wasn't. The Greens were never going to side with the Liberals.

I was talking, as everyone else was, about the carbon tax. I wasn't saying she has never lied, I wasn't even saying she didn't lie here. What I was saying was, whether she lied or not is not the issue. The PM had the choice of sticking to a promise or not. Not sticking to that promise is...

That's exactly what I think as well. The whole 'did she or didn't she lie' is a red herring. The question she had to ask herself, after the election, was, 'Do I keep my word or don't I'. Julia chose not to, (mistake no. 1) then tried to weasel out of her initial statement (mistake no. 2) rather...

As we've discussed before Dazz, most people seem to care about what's in it for them, rather than any core beliefs. Which is why both parties go to elections promising handouts, tax cuts and new super freeways.

And here I was thinking uncle was crazy! Maybe he's the only sane one....

Just as I thought. Then the question is, whyahasn't he been charged with anything?

Do you know this or believe it. There is a big difference. I have an uncle who believes there are fairies in the bottom of his garden. What page? Have you read the report? If the proof, as you say, is in the report, why hasn't he been charged? On the balance of things, I think he's...

That's not what is happening at all. Every second business is blaming cost increases on the carbon tax, whether it is true or not. I haven't seen any running and hiding, regardless of the consequences.

round and round we go.....

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/15/1097784047470.html http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1208257.htm So in 2004, Howard promised the world, introduced handout after handout without regard for the cost, targeted funding at certain schools, to the exclusion of others, and...

A different view. The oft ignored difference between correlation and causation.