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Al I was was saying , is that povery & it's restulats are not straightforward to summarise the solutions for based on our limtied expeirences. If it was that easy, they would have been sovled years ago. All I was saying is that the patterns of poverty / crime issues etc are present around the...

Pschycoligist / philosophes etc debate this for years.... Like you thet don;t have all the anwsers, but they do agree wtih myour obvious observations. Have you not noticed the same thing in poor suburbs in the US ? gangs / houses that look like crap.. drugs.. crime..... I just didn;t...

being a wink, I thought you were making another point, agreeing with form the franganstan comment which is quite nasty - what was it supposed to imply exactly see hw it can be misunderstood: "you can see how it went that way, can;t you ? you're not DUMB are you ;-)" now tell me, was I...

if you notice the ;-) at the end of the message ... even if australian of the year was dealing drugs it would still be wrong ... mkay! :-)Where did you say that ? I re read your post & still can't see where you said that, so I can;t help how what you wrote read

Gordon, was that a joke, or are you pointing out what is wrong with us "ethnics" ? I thought crime was a bad thing regardless of who does it.

If the "dealers" were dinky di bogans / aussie bikie gang members would you have felt better ? just curious as to what you mean when you call if frankganastan(?)