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you can still do what you like & eat it now you just choose not to

Had you been allowed to see my previous post delted by the moderateors for being "offensive", you might have seen Ithat I agree with you about americans being just as human fallable as anyone else.

Cause quirkiness of behaviour is a human trait that can't be ignored I guess as well. Even the stockmarket analysts knwo that one force they cant; measure is human behaviour Over time our systems of government end up encompassing things to try and cater for some of these things (like say...

Yeah it's "so funny cause it's true" znd all that, but it is still a comedy Surely dumb idiots like me who stand in the way of kathryn's view of the world and how it should be aren;t actually strong enogh to stop kathruyn and the likeminded folk from impelemtning the chagnes they knwo are...

I suppose it went over kathryn's head that the show is a comedy Why do you take such delight in belittling nbad laughing at people who dont; share your view kathryn, ? It's hard to listen to you and think about wha tyou say seriously when you do this.

Geoffw, is it ok for me to say I gagree with this post or is that offensive as well ???????????? I belevie Americans are capable fo human mistakes, cause I can credit them with being human. I hope that non offensive enough to you Geoff that it can remain

And take away their privelleges too - don't make a profit, don't get fed. Can't pay their bill - chop off the electricity used to for the srcurty system to amek sure that prisoners dont escape Some fo these "tough stance" suggestions appear to me to be reminiscent of what the big bad and...

Those that can should be required to put in a registered amount of volunteer work, ie. councils - helping elderly, assisting the public, assisting generally in community services. Weg, Perhaps all I'm suggesting is you possibly shold be prefixing the above sentence with "In my view.." or...

Well go and pionneer the change ! What';s the point of pointing fingers and calling people names (direclty or indirectly doicalling them names besdies causing fights with people ? Chagne the system if that's what you w3ant and people will follow the sytem hjsyjstu loiek they do today's...

Cause it's prboably not that simple, as 100 + yeas of federation leading to this have shown ? We are humans, not machines... we aren;t mnmbers wher 1 + 1 = 2 each avnd every time And as indiviudals, as much as we belive we do, we don;t underatand ieveryting nor their implications anywhere...

That's also what came to my mind. I'm sure some investors can and have used the super vehicle successfully in the past.

I was responding to bayview's last sentence which I bolded in my post. If most accountants see "mum & dad's" and the advice is appropriate for "mum's & dads"... then what do you expect to be their "default position for advice" ? why be surprised at it ?

If your accountant's clients are mostly "mum & dad's"..... should you really expect anything else from them ?

Agree... Might it be difficult to achieve ? yes, sure, everything worthwhile is and this is a pretty big one....

By gholidays people mean leaving home & staying soemhwere else Brenda, not rec leave taken at home ! :)

I Agrew with ian Do we need toilet paper - what about paper napkins & trissues and paper towels ? or could you use old rags which came form old clothing ? I believe we include something like average standard of living in our requirements when we (all of us) say we NEED this much.... (Evemn...

As I said previously to Wunderbar, sorry As I suggested, you could also cut out lots of other stuff and leave on lots less again. But that's just what I think, wrong as it may be and all that stuff.

Noone here is whinging are they ? It's a dicussion fromamongst people who want to become self funded retireees working out / discussing how much they think they need. Haven't heard a sinlge complaint of "can;t afford life" yet. Probably cause many on this topic think it through i.e. "How...

I'm sure you could cut it down to $20k with no tv no phone etc (probably should keep electricty but, although without it, I wonder how little you would need !) Tv is part of life.. Computers are part of life.. if my tv bvreaks, I would like to buy a new one, wouldn't you ? Cars and all...

Just a response to your initial post saying peoplel should have a hard look at themselves if they feel the need to spend more than $40k pa.. sorry