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  1. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Steve, A bit of constructive criticism from one of your most ardent proofreaders… :D All the stuff below is about Post-Retirement. I have absolutely no issues with the Pre-Retirement stuff - I did it & it worked for me & if I was a financial advisor I'd recommend it:). Chapter 4...
  2. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Corsa, That's a polite way of describing me. See my R&R activities posted earlier (canyoning, rock climbing etc) for a glimpse at my attitude towards risk - even more of a paradox!. I accept people may or may not wish to do so. I don't accept that people should not be fully aware of the risks...
  3. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Thommo, So do I, but I'm desperately trying to lose any perception that I'm a D&Ger ;). Actuaries tell me I've probably got 45+ yrs of retirement to look forward to. Statisticians tell that there's a greater than negligible risk that some time during that period some left field event is...
  4. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Simon, I've been feeling the same way:). The risk is that Oz will have a downturn, just because IP has grown in the past doesn't mean it will continue to do so. EG - Japan had a boom in the 80's yrs followed by 20 yrs of 0% growth. There is a risk (however small) that Oz had a boom in...
  5. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Patosan, The problem is the high volatility & the low yield & potentially zero growth for prolonged periods that both Steve & I employ strategies to attempt to avoid. Cheers, Keith
  6. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Steve, No not joking. See the v. first post in this thread for my views. Duncan won't be going back to work aged 70 - he's had a sleepless nights or two, but he's to much of a forward planner to use solely LOE. I too believe living solely of equity growth is risky. I'd guess no...
  7. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    [/b]Steve, I disgree - I am not giving up all future capital growth. I combining a low risk strategy with a high risk strategy. I am receiving a guaranteed base pension (abet at a consequently relatively low rate of return). But I still have IP & shares, which have higher risk & also growth...
  8. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Thommo, I've posted here recently about my 2 phased retirement plan - maybe I should consider a 3 phased plan - with phase III being 100% bonds/0% IP/0% shares. My portfolio still has IPs in it - for growth & +ve c/f. I'm all for a LOE approach combined with a guaranteed base income...
  9. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    [/i] Hi Steve, Sorry, I though your response above was implying your structure is 100% guaranteed. What did you mean :confused:? That's part of what I'm getting at. If you ask 99% of financial advisors if they can offer a guaranteed retirement structure - they wil say YES 100% guaranteed...
  10. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Steve, You misunderstand - I'm not talking about your chapters - I'm talking about my 5 step summary of your voluminous 3 chapters. See below So to summarise your 3 chapters so far - buy IPs, & watch them grow - I agree draw down equity to buy more, watch them grow - I agree when...
  11. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Steve, Sorry to keep questioning you - I hope no-one perceives it as attacking.... Are you saying the structure you are recommending is 100% guaranteed to be self supporting ? And 100% guaranteed to provide consistant 13% dividends & distributions plus Capital Growth and a capital...
  12. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Steve, I glad you've finally come around to our way of thinking about what living off equity actually is:p and isn't. I'm not sure if you read the whole thread or even the initial post where I suggested Duncan and other I'm sure understood this way back on the first page in this post. So...
  13. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Unless you have an extremely broad definition of Living Off Equity ie Investing = LOE, then I would say that you are merely leveraging to provide more growth, which is something we all do already. No - that's living off INCOME, living off Equity is as described in post 1 of this thread. [/b]Oh...
  14. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    [/size][/b][/i] [/b][/i] Hi qaz, The definition I believe is commonplace in this forum is as I stated above 'Living off equity is a way of drawing down cash to live on against previous growth (if any)'. It's also what I described in the initial post of this thread - with no disagreements...
  15. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Oh no it isn’t I know I ain't gonna be popular:eek:, but........ ......oh no it isn’t. Living off equity is a way of drawing down cash to live on against previous growth (if any). [/b] What you have described is getting income to live off from a share fund that consistently returns 13%...
  16. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Patience GG, patience. You only have to wait till after the rugby for chapter 2. I have to wait till chapter 5!:) Cheers, KJ
  17. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Corsa, Just got back from making the kids tea. I'm sorry if the post you mentioned came across badly (as a s/w engineer I can relate to quolls post):o. I was trying to get across to Steve that I could conceive a scenario where the post retirement phase could be completely decoupled...
  18. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Steve, The point I was trying to make was - does the final post retirement phase rely on the pre-retirement phases. Are you confirming that it does or doesn't ?:confused: I dont' want to appear to be aggressively anti-LOE (as I said in the v. first post - it's a great concept). I want to...
  19. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Sim, I have retired, but I don't currently live off equity. I fully expect the risks & concerns I have are things that Steve would be happy to talk to everyone about, not just me personally. I was hoping this thread would not digress into a Complete Navra Strategy thread, but stick to...
  20. K

    Living off equity – a Reality Check

    Hi Steve, The reason I am interested in answers to all these questions is because I have got to a point where I have $xM nett assets (as have many here) and feel I have enough to be able to retire. I would have expected to be able to come to you as a client and say - "I have $xM IPs, $yM...
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