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Also, an interesting read for those inclined: The Inquisition of Climate Science Global Warming Denial and the Deniers -James Lawrence Powell, PhD, DSc -------------------------------------------------------------

Incidently, desmogblog is here: http://www.desmogblog.com/ There is much more of course.

Another good read, rather, interview: http://www.e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2218 07 Dec 2009: Interview The Case Against the Skeptics Stirring Up the Warming Debate The recent controversy over hacked e-mails in the climate science community has emboldened global warming...

Fred Pearce; was the author of: Climategate: Anatomy of a Public Relations Disaster The way that climate scientists have handled the fallout from the leaking of hacked e-mails is a case study in how not to respond to a crisis. But it also points to the need for climate researchers to...

...and a further interesting read: A Culture of Denial Global Warming, Copenhagen, and the Media Assault on Science November 22, 2009 By Anthony DiMaggio Excerpt: Here: http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/23189 The author: Anthony DiMaggio teaches U.S. and Global...

16 Nov 2009 Apocalypse Fatigue: Losing the Public on Climate Change By: Ted Nordhaus, and Michael Shellenberger. Authors of Break Through: From the Death of Environmentalism to the Politics of Possibility and a recent collection of energy and climate writings... Intro excerpt...

Orville Schell, ( director of the Center on U.S.-China Relations at the Asia Society and the primary editor of “A Roadmap for U.S.-China Cooperation on Climate and Energy”), wrote about an interesting idea: 15 Dec 2009: Opinion Bringing Hope to Copenhagen With a Novel Investment Idea...

Thought you might find it interesting.:) Fred Pearce wrote an interesting article re/ Copenhagen: Here: http://www.e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2226 There was no done deals going into (Copenhagen), as Orr points out, no precooking, it was genuine negotiations.

Landlubber: ------------------------------------------------- http://www.skepticalscience.com/page.php?p=3 In particular: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Which brings us to...

Topcropper: I see it as useful, meaning generally of interest to many farmgates, not always applicable and specific, but something that has been taken on board here, (with our research centre and huge farming community), the desire to learn and think smarter on best farming practise...

Topcropper: That is what we are up to, scientists+farmers=some areas of better farming practises, it is showing there is less need for synthetic fertilisers, the (no till) soil is building itself up, there is still a very small few farmers "even still" trying to lather the fert in, they do...

Strannik: Actually, I was thinking more the old saying of; "bull**** travels half the world before it can get it's boots on".;)

JulieW: We are repeating here in the thread, but that's understandable, it can get busy posting. http://www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610 and Anatomy of A Myth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU_AtHkB4Ms

-Single observation data. (Whether it is hot or cold). -That is simply weather. -Not climate -Not climate change -Certainly nowhere near global climate change.

Landlubber, that was fantastic, thankyou. Bacteria possibly made the rules, dig that. I heard the other day about working with bacteria as a tool to kill cancer cells, meant to scrounge around and find some more. Bonnie Bassler is a really enthusiastic lecturer, really enjoyed that. Fun.

Sunfish: Ah well. More importantly, (for me), I am of the age of reason, consideration, learning, balancing ideas and information. Listening with intent. A work in progress, ~always.

I have more reading and information, but just so folks know it is out there. For what it's worth, yes, I do scuba dive. Yes, along the south and east coast of Oz and yes, in the GBR. Yes, I think it, (the GBR), is worth as much care and attention and preservation as possible. Yes, I...

http://www.uq.edu.au/news/?article=19793

.....and a little more information: Plenty of education and information (within the site) from people with a career and passion for their work and environment. Climateshift site, sure to have a few good articles. http://www.climateshifts.org/ Charlie Veron's work...

http://www.uq.edu.au/news/index.html?article=20013 From UQ (University of Queensland) news: Scientists call for urgent 'global cooling' to save coral reefs