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A fun site: http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/peo_per_liv_in_urb_are-people-percentage-living-urban-areas&b_map=1 Australia seems to have disappeared out of their data base for some reason....NZ is there-oh well.

...actually my understanding of Canada is similar to us, (perhaps not desert tho':p), but meaning "uninhabitable like", according to some friends over there. They tend to urbanise heavily like us, from memory Australia is actually one of the most focal urbanised countries, which will sound...

The link on the top of my previous post has his article/thoughts: ----and so on, there is more.

From boing boing (charles platt), here: http://boingboing.net/2009/01/30/charts-3.html For me it is indeed a great feeling flying back into Oz, something about this old place...

Good on you HiE, thanks. Is all interesting. Food for thought (meaning in my learning capacity on this).

...and an interesting article: https://www.tai.org.au/documents/dp_fulltext/DP91.pdf The Australia Institute Just some very brief excerpts, so as not to quote too much: ...and: Be interesting to have any comments from you HiE.

My friends who have their solar panels and are not dependent on the grid, do not have any power bills any more...and us that are not dependent (little to none) for water "from the system"...are wasting our time and money? I'm trying to get some clarification on this. So you are saying...

...and this, going up near Mildura.(As well as the one at bridgewater): http://www.silex.com.au/public/uploads/announce/Victorian%20govt%20solar%20initiative.pdf They are not worth the time, money, energy? Keeping in mind the solutions may be multi approach.

...and, this, the Macarthur wind farm: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/wind-farm-agl-macarthur-renewable-energy-pd20100813-8A4VR?OpenDocument are we wasting time and money then? If so why do it? I'm interested -

As always your input and knowledge is interesting (and welcome) HiE. I have some questions. From Waubra site: http://www.waubrawindfarm.com.au/index.htm While obviously small scale production, is this not possibly the "part" solution to challenging issues of energy sources...

...and actually, we mostly "try" to use water we catch from the sky. A 12 yearish-sort-of- drought dropped us back to probably 60% rainwater tank usage, 40% reliable on piped. Now we seem to be getting our average rain, we will be back into 100% using what we catch in tanks, off farmhouse...

...oh, and that's not to mention the huge solar power system about to go up near Mildura, potentially leading to (from memory?) another 8 or 10 systems. Also word still going out about the wimmera trying to get theirs too. it's exciting. good ol' regional vic doing innovative things. we...

Random: Precisely, our intentions precisely. A friend has his house set up totally self sufficient, (power and water supply). A reasonably extensive solar power system, meets all his needs and feeds back into the grid, (he is in a regional vic city), getting him credits, but I must ask him...