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Same here, but I suppose the other side is this: should people be punished for being stupid with their money? My parents came here with nothing and have never received one cent from the government. Now I am in the same position, as are my daughters. We're not eligible for anything. But...

Geoff, a few years ago your daughter would have been eligible to receive the youth allowance (I think it was). Once someone had been in fulltime work for 12 months they could access the allowance. The government changed the rules so that now it is means tested.

Absolutely. Bad management of resources to do otherwise. But some posters are so busy getting themselves into a spin and ganging up, that they have lost their ability to be rational.

lol, why are you so uncomfortable with someone playing devil's advocate? Emotional? The only emotional responses have been from people who staunchly support the rights of workers to spend time on the internet while at work. Think: if I were to now justify all the reasons why employees...

Thank you DT. At last an honest answer.

You boys are easy to bait.

My post quite clearly states 'employees complaining about employees'. Why are you so hot under the collar when I was clearly not referring to the self-employed?

My question was very simple: would you be happy to see an employee surfing the net for an hour? Noone has been able to answer that question.

That sentence doesn't make sense. And the 'boys' I am referring to are all the posters not just the self-employed. And nobody talking about 'rights'. Really? So what do you call the following comments because they sound an awful lot like people complaining of 'rights' to me: never being...

Cjay, read the earlier posts.

How the tide turns. Ironic that people were celebrating the demise of the employee and the rise of casuals; complaining about employees having all the rights and employers being screwed by having to pay super and long service leave; the difficulties involved in 'getting rid of' an employee...

So he would be happy to let his boss see him on the internet for an hour while there was work to do? And you think any boss would be happy to see his employee surfing the net for an hour during work hours? I can't think of any job I've had--both in the public and private sector--where I would...

Then you would be happy to let the boss see all the sites you visit during your work hours?

While there is work to be done, the employee should be doing it. If they have no work, I would expect them to ask for something to do. Then, if I have nothing to give them I, as the employer, should be managing better. It's not cost effective to employ someone and have no work for them to do.

As an employer, I would not have been happy for an employee to be surfing the net or taking time off to post on forums.

Funnily enough, I have.

Perhaps the employees taking time out of their work day to play on Somersoft read the paper and take their lunches as well. We'll never know.

Ouch, what??? Yes, smokers are stealing too. But right now that's not the issue. All the employees here complaining about employees are exactly what they're complaining about.

Does it not strike people as odd that, apart from those who are self-employed or on holiday, you are 'stealing' from your boss by posting comments on Somersoft during work hours?