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True but inner areas are still not your Toorak kind of areas or Mosman in Sydney and Dalkeith in Perth which is what i was more or less alluding to. I take your point thopugh

You will never see them in Toorak (well i suppose never say never) because in order for people to qualify they have to: a) rent at 20% under market b) earn less than a certain amount - i think $55k for singles c) have that rent be less than 30% or so of their income. ie for someone earning...

It absolutely does help, no argument there. happy to disagree here, i see no problem with someone being considered self made if he/she has a successful relative or someone to learn from. if it was that easy there would be a hell of a lot more seminar/mentoring attendees who are successful

And im saying i disagree with this. It should in no way take away from someones achievements if they happen to build a great business but their uncle did too.

i cant say that i have ever heard this. self made is only if you have no one to learn from? seems to be a silly test.