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Really? This really made no sense... GST doesnt doesnt bother anyone BUT the self-employed and business. You say "we don't really pay it as we get refunds if we spend more than we earn" which is completely right but for most of us in business who generally enjoy spending less than what we earn...

And what are you trying to do but not "win" an argument through rudeness and forced silence? Re-read all of Ideos posts then read this post of yours particularly the last line. What has ideo said to justify "Give it up mate and get a bloody life you are just making noise for no reason other...

Sunfish... your arrogance is palpable. Ideo position is similar to my own which is the polar opposite to yours. In short Ideo honestly and correctly claims to not know it all.. you on the other hand claim the total opposite.

Do you think Abbot will reverse the carbon tax or water it down and claim it fixed? You know the usual, "to costly to remove", "embedded in our system", "unfair to industry who were unfairly placed in a situation to adjust", "give the system continued certainty" comments will come a day after...

yes... like the CSIRO a statutory body whose findings have changed little under either labor or liberal govts. (insert government conspiracy theory here) These kind of comments help no-one and only fans the flames of ignorance.

This squabbling interestes me not and only reinforces my core point which is that I care more about the process to getting to an aswer rather than the answer itself.

Correct. I prefer to trust 80 scientists out of 100 if the 100 were elected via proper process to make a determination in which they specialise. The problem is if one of our politicians sides with the 20%, that brings forward 50% of the electorate and perverts the entire process. Your...

Dazz, Just to clarify a few points I made and respond to yours; Experts will always disagree its simply more important to run with majority consensus. You will be right 9 out of 10 times with this approach however as a society we area unable to make any decisive decisions in fear of that 1...

Dazz you strike me as pragmatic but where you and I differ is thinking that "we" as you in and me have the answer, the solution or the cause of the problem. We have only opinions and they are they are like azzholes because everyone has one. Regarding your views on the Lib vs Lab debate...

Or spending to avoid a recession.... only to find out there was no recession and hence a waste of money.. Heroes are only made when they save the day not avoid the problem altogether...