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The biggest problem for Bill Shorten is Julia not stepping down gracefully for him to take the job. The Labor Party could not afford another bloody knifing, especially if done by one who was one of the main knifers in the last knifing :eek:. They might just have no choice but to give the...

It's both :p. I don't trust her, or think her policies are well thought out and/or executed.

Yes I disagree with Tony. Just shows I have a mind of my own and don't take everything my leader tells me for Gospel ;).

IV, there is another very significant point you needed to point out d) The majority of Australians don't trust Julia and believe she and the present Labor party are incompetent. This IS based on past history (fact) and not due to Liberal scaremongering.

SA has this to be vocal about, but I do sometimes wonder about South Australians - a few days ago some from the iron triangle were quoted in the paper as saying it was good news that the place would be cleaned up :confused:. Yeh, 'cleaned up' of the working population and business :rolleyes...

Yes but you then have to tax more to pay for many of these babies (each with a life long carbon footprint to boot). It's a vicious cycle ;). Oh... boat people have already been born, but they would also be part of population control.

I think at some stage tax brackets were going to be looked at as recommended by K Henry, but in this case incorporated as part of the carbon tax package purely as a selling point. Btw, if they're so serious about carbon emissions (I include the UN here) why not concentrate on reducing...

This seems to be the recurring theme. Saving the planet my @$$.