An Education in Income Tax Law

An Education in Income Tax Law


Point 1

Not all accountants, or tax practitioners, read and understand tax law the same way. That is why, for example, we see so many issues in tax law go to court for the judges to decide on what is right and what is wrong.

It is also interesting to note that it is not uncommon for court decisions on tax related matters to be split 3 in favour and 2 against…or vice versa.

So, if our legal system and the smartest and wisest people in the country cannot be absolutely certain how the tax law should be read, interpreted and applied, then….how can a simple accountant hope to be 100% right, all the time?

Clearly, they cannot.

All they can do is seek opinions from more learned people than themselves and study the law and the court decisions that apply to the law.


Point 2

If you ask an accountant…can I claim this, or that? The answer has to be a yes, or a no.

Accountants are taught and trained to be conservative and so they will often say no as a way of protecting their client.

However, if you ask an accountant “how can I claim this, or that?

Then you are assuming it can be done and the accountant will open his or her mind to find a way for that particular item to be claimed.

This is one of the most important tools an investor can develop.



Point 3


From the ATO Ruling Mt 2042

http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.h.../00001&recStart=1&recnum=1&tot=1&pn=ALL:::ALL

8. On the other hand, relatively inexpensive Christmas gifts of food or drink that will be consumed by the employees at home (such as a bottle of whiskey or wine or a hamper of food) are not regarded as being the provision of entertainment for the purposes of subsection 51AE(4). Expenditure incurred on such gifts will be treated as an allowable deduction in calculating the taxable income of the employer.




Point 4

INCOME TAX ASSESSMENT ACT 1997

CHAPTER 1 - INTRODUCTION AND CORE PROVISIONS

PART 1-3 - CORE PROVISIONS

Division 8 - Deductions

TABLE OF SECTIONS
8-1 General deductions
8-5 Specific deductions
8-10 No double deductions

SECTION 8-1 General deductions

8-1(1) You can deduct from your assessable income any loss or outgoing to the extent that:
(a) it is incurred in gaining or producing your assessable income; or
(b) it is necessarily incurred in carrying on a *business for the purpose of gaining or producing your assessable income.
[
Note:
Division 35 prevents losses from non-commercial business activities that may contribute to a tax loss being offset against other assessable income.]
History
S 8-1(1) amended by No 90 of 2000, s 3 and Sch 1 item 1, by inserting the Note at the end, applicable to assessments for the 2000/01 and later income years.

8-1(2) However, you cannot deduct a loss or outgoing under this section to the extent that:
(a) it is a loss or outgoing of capital, or of a capital nature; or
(b) it is a loss or outgoing of a private or domestic nature; or
(c) it is incurred in relation to gaining or producing your *exempt income or your *non-assessable non-exempt income; or
(d) a provision of this Act prevents you from deducting it.
For a summary list of provisions about deductions, see section 12-5.
History
S 8-1(2) amended by No 66 of 2003, s 3 and Sch 3 item 57, by inserting ``or your *non-assessable non-exempt income'' for ``*exempt income'' in para (c), applicable to assessments for the 2003-04 income years and later income years.

8-1(3) A loss or outgoing that you can deduct under this section is called a general deduction.
For the effect of the GST in working out deductions, see Division 27.
[
Note:
If you receive an amount as insurance, indemnity or other recoupment of a loss or outgoing that you can deduct under this section, the amount may be included in your assessable income: see Subdivision 20-A. ]
History
S 8-1(3) amended by No 41 of 2005, s 3 and Sch 2 items 2 and 3, by substituting ``Note'' for ``Note 1'' in Note 1 and repealing Note 2, applicable to assessments for the first income year starting on or after 1 July 2005 and later income years. Note 2 formerly read:
"Note 2: A cash accounting regime applies for general deductions, and some other deductions, incurred by STS taxpayers: see Division 328. "
S 8-1(3) amended by No 78 of 2001, s 3 and Sch 2 items 3 and 4, by renaming the note as ``Note 1'' and inserting Note 2, applicable to assessments for the first income year starting after 30 June 2001, and for later income years.
S 8-1(3) amended by No 176 of 1999, s 3 and Sch 3 item 2, by inserting the reference to Division 27 at the end, effective 1 July 2000.
S 8-1(3) amended by No 16 of 1998.





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Thanks for that Dale.

In light of the incidents this week I understand why you have given us this explanation.

At Metropole we see clients every day who have sought advice from their accountants regarding the best way to structure themsleves for investment or for clarification of what they can and can't deduct.

Obviously everyone's circumstances are different, but the range of advice clients receive continually surprises me - some of which is in direct contradiction to others.

Your point that the tax law is unclear and open to interpretation is a valid one.

I believe another significant factor is that some accountants understand some areas of the tax law better than others because they specialise in it. For eaxmple there are a heap of accountants out there that don't recommend hybrid trusts because they just don't understand them (funny about that:confused: )

Also, by nature accountants tend to be conservative and that is possibly a good thing.

Over the years I have realised that you must seek out the best team of advisors you can and not be scared to pay for them......

Find an accountant who specialises in property (if that's your business) and who understands it backwards - not just in theory but in practice - he must own a portfolio of properties.

Dale you have taught me a heap over the years. I thank you for that and acknowledge it in my book (which by the way is a best seller - first print run sold out in less than 2 months), where the inspiration for tax section all came from your teachings.

The biggest 2 lessons I learned from you and I would like to share with the members of this forum are:-

1. Begin with the end in mind- what is your property portfolio going to look like in 10 years? Know where you are heading and structure yourself appropriately right at the beginning - even before you put an offer in on a property.

2. Dont's ask your accountant "can I deduct this?" - ask him (or her) "how can I deduct this?" If you ask the right questions you will get the right answers.

Thank you Dale for all the knowledge you have freely given me and the other members of this forum and for helping make me a better more successful property investor.

P.S. I still love it when I go to the movies and my company pays for the tickets and gives me and other employees a bonus for our good work:D
 
I agree Michael I've spoken to many accountants and have been told that they dont really understandor even set up HDT's..one who was standing with a local REA/Guru said that "nobody uses those anymore"..further discussions revealed he didn't know about HDT's but became interested as we talked (I pointed him in the direction of Dale's books for an understanding)
 
What I have found is that many people do not realise that there are many different types of accountants.

I am an accountant (by trade anyway), and people look at me strangely when I said that I used a Tax Accountant for my taxes (I guess I'm assuming that's why I get looked at strangely). Why would I pay somebody to do my taxes when I could do them myself ? I could do them but it would take me forever and I probably wouldn't be as thorough in determing my deductions.

In other words, I'm happy to pay for good advice.
 
Thanks for bringing this topic to mind at this time of year, Dale.

I fear we are living increasingly in a world where specialisation in an evernarrowing field is becoming the norm. Whether this is for the best is not clear but it does mean that often the best course of action is to let the "experts" do their thing.

As an aside, I think that's one of the reasons for having currency. It provides an alternative to pure bartering when exchanging goods and services.

Cheers,

Kenny
 
I used to hate hearing about friends who worked in the same industry as me claiming or doing different things come tax time..when I asked my accountants back then could i do this or that and they said yes..i used to be annoyed that they didnt advise me.. a pro-active accountant is hard/great to find!

Finding an accountant who is an active property investor is a Bonus if you are a property investor yourself..same same for shares etc
 
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