Anyone heard of Positive Real Estate?

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  1. PrimeCommercial

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    Anyone had any dealings with these guys? Good or Bad. I did a search and didnt get many hits. Apparently they also call themselves ESC and Richmastery.
    Run by a few people, Sam Saggers, Lisa Sanders, Jason Whitman, Duncan yelds.
     
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  2. JamesGG

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    Hiya,

    There's been a few threads on them in the last twelve months or so. Perhaps, see here:

    http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44345
    http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39902
    http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39275

    For whatever it is worth...

    Sam is the director of the buyer's agency. Lisa is the director of the mortgage broking arm. Jason is the director of the mentoring program and the guy who founded the parent company.

    Not sure what Duncan has to do with anything; if anything at all.

    Richmastery, from what I understand, is a separate venture, partially owned by the same people. Not sure what ESC is, though, or who owns / runs it.

    Cheers

    James.
     
  3. Peter Parker

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    Positive Real Estate is a BA specialising in CF+ properties. Typically newish places in regional and mining towns.

    ESC or Entrepeneurs Success Centre (Jason Whitton) appears to be aligned or related with Richmastery Property Adademy (NZ mob). Jenman refers to Whitton as foul-mouthed, though in the seminar I attended he wasn't. http://www.jenman.com.au/news_article.php?id=110 Whitton's seminars contain their fair share of sales talk, but they're far better than Park Trent/Cross Country who are about the bottom of the barrel.

    The leading light of Richmastery is Phil Jones and they have published several phone-directory thickness books. He's also into juice: http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog...property-educator-phil-jones-sells-juice-too/

    Richmastery has been the subject of warnings from the Consumers Institute (like Choice) and has also got into trouble re plagiarism: http://www.empowereducation.com/richmastery-copyright.bz They took out double-page ads in property mags a few years back for various seminars and this seems to have drawn their attention to high-profile critics like Jenman and this mob: http://www.richmasteryexposed.com/

    These types change their names frequently and it's hard to know what's what and whose with whom. I do find these personal or business links or alliances interesting, discernible when each recommend the others and are anti those from 'opposing' camps.

    For example Bill Zheng & Michael Yardney. Stuart Wemyss/ProSolution & the Wakelins. Or
    Neil Jenman & Terry Ryder & Margaret Lomas.

    Not that there's anything wrong with this - after all renowned painters did same - eg Heidelberg School and there is a tendency for people to get together with the like minded. However Adam Smith also warned us to be wary of those from the same industry who sup together, since not all that may be discussed may be harmless social banter.
     
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    My former colleague at work make huge growth and positive yields after spending $5000 taking Positive RE sam saggers advise to buy in Kalgoolrie in 2006. She purchased a house for $65K in Kalgorlie that year.

    As I have different investment strategy, I do not participate with this mob.
     
  5. PrimeCommercial

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    Thanks for the replys.
    A couple of my friends went to one of their seminars last night and I'd never heard of them. I knew someone here would. Just wanted to do a little background check.

    Thanks again for the feedback
     
  6. duncan yelds

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    who is duncan yelds from positive real estate

    Hi I am Duncan Yelds and I actually have a lot to do with PRE (jamesgg should do his research more completely ) -I recently was asked by Jason Whitton if I would like to take on the developement of the NSW franchise of "POSITIVE REAL ESTATE" as the company has grown significantley over the last 2 years and opportunities had been created to assist with the expansion of this dynamic group of companies.
    I originally meet Jason Sam & Lisa thru his association with THE ANTHONY ROBBINS GROUP OF COMPANIES at an event he was speaking at back in 2003 - as as result of hearing him speak I choose - with my wife to attend and participate in his lifetime mentoring program
    -yes it cost 6k back then - so what - to have our personal property portfolio go from 5 massively negatively geared properties to a portfolio of 25 properties that allowed both myself and my wife to choose to work or not was worth it
    I have made personally 10's of thousands of dollars from Sams buyers agenceys advice!
    How long did it take to change our portfolio around ? - about 18 months in total -
    since then we have expanded our portfolio internationally and diversified into shares and business where our total portfolio continues to grow.
    I am fortunate enough to be in a position in my / our lives to be able to give back for the pleasure of giving back - and to see new / novice investors spark into gear
    I have taken the time to become a certified NLP master practioner to be able to serve the clients I work with even more completely
    it is suprising to me that more people find it difficult to pick up the phone and actually speak to the person or persons in question and ask them the questions they have
    you can email me at any time or call me thru the contact details on the web site
    www.positiverealestate.com.au
    you see (eg waffler's comments) when you hear it 3rd 4th or even 5th hand - you will not get the facts - YOU WILL ONLY GET THE PERSONS INTERPRETATION ON THE WORDS THAT WERE SPOKEN TO THEM

    richmastery is a NZ based company that has now no association with jason or his team - in fact the primary reason that jason is no longer associated with this company is the questionable integrity the company had in the past

    Jason like Sam & Lisa are not "foul mouthed" as the Jemnan states - they are all just typical Aussies that have been prepared to get in there and give it a go,
    - far out - we have adverts that state "where the bloody hell are ya?"
    Jemnan should pull the carrot out of his behind and get a life!
    If you would like to know more about our coaching and mentoring lifetime membership you are welcome to come in and spend an hour or more with one of our state based coach / mentors at any time

    until we speak again -

    what are you creating the possibility of happening today?
     
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    Sorry Duncan .. what is it you do? teaching NLP or giving investment advice?
     
  8. redwing

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    Hi James


    ESC Entrepreneurs Success Centre was/is Richmastery and I believe the company now called Positive Real Estate was the Sydney Office, doesn't appear to be any association nowadays though between the two?

    They used to hold "Profit from Property" and "Retire Young Retire Rich" seminars

    I attended a PRE Seminar in Perth and enjoyed the night (they never mentioned Duncan Yelds either:confused::D), Sam and Jason could do a great comedy show and the mood was excellent, like Spiderman, no profanity heard by me either, so I attended one of their mentoring nights as a guest, like any business they had a product to sell but there was no hard sell by any stretch and the mentoree's (new word) seemed to be enjoying themselves as they evaluated deals.



    Hi Duncan,


    Welcome to SS, hope you stick around and join the party as well as add to the collective knowledge here

    As stated above I've never heard of yourself either (Linked In needs to be updated as well).

    You Tube had an apt title though, so I've posted it here if you dont mind?

    Duncan Yelds - who is he

    I think your journey would make a great thread on this site if you had the time or inclination as well
     
  9. duncan yelds

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    hi murtage my role within the team is create a strategy for the client to move forward with - I am not a financial planner and hence do not offer or give financial advice I am also a coach that is there to support and teach our clients about the different ways to invest in property
     
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    re the NLP when working with clients it is very useful to have the skills and learnings associated with NLP that allows me to create change or move pass a particular roadblock in thier lives
     
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    Hi REDWING omg your still out there and yes you still learning - my our journey has been a lot of fun looking back to date full of very powerful learnings - yes one day I will put it on paper - just so I dont forget the little things that made ALL the difference
     
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    Hiya,

    Sorry, Duncan, I did not mean to offend. Whilst I know your counterparts in Melbourne (Tab & Vin), Perth (David & Indra) and Brisbane (Mark & Duncan B) very well, and deal with them often... I was not even aware that the Sydney franchise had been finalised yet.

    For those who did not follow the earlier links, I feel that I should also point out at this stage that I have a professional link to the PRE group and so any comments that I may make about PRE can be interpreted to be some degree of bias. Also, their Melbourne franchise is operating out of some room in my office whilst their own office development is being completed.

    So, ignore anything that I've said about them and do your own research. :D

    Cheers

    James.
     
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    Hi,

    I feel privelidged to have discovered PRE recently and more so to have attended the meeting on 4/2/09. There are so many investment groups out there and PRE have come across as the most genuine and honest group out there.

    Jason and Naomi gave very useful advise on the essentials from the correct way to finance your portfolio to the general direction you should be heading. Mind you this is all considering you have the same goals as they do.

    I have to say that since being inspired by the PRE group my goals have been aligned and neck saved (by a matter of days) from making a poor decision.

    Thanks guys, i hope to deal with you further in the near future.
    -AK-
     
  14. PrimeCommercial

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    My friends ended up joining the program and forking out the $9000 joining fee. I dare say it doesn't take much of a mistake on the first IP to loose $9k so lets hope its money well spent for them.

    I'll see if I can remember to dig this thread up in 12 months and see where they're at. If they don't mind of course
     
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    How about giving us some names and numbers of your very satisfied clients so we can call them up and verify this happy info.

    Also, it would be good if you could post 3 examples of some sold properties within the last 6 months, with the relevent numbers such as rent returns, depreciation schedules, sale price etc.
     
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    Hi AK. What a lucky coincidence- that you join SS and you find something about PRE and make your 1 post.

    I attended a couple of their info nights. At the first one I was interested in the mentoring program and have to admit, had they followed up I probably would have joined. BUT- I filled in the forms saying that I had $500,000 equity in my PPOR an IP and a LOC of $400,000. All true at the time. No-one rang me. I attended a second night a few months later and was ignored by David when I tried to sign up to attend the mentor night as a guest.
    THEN they rang my husband several times. On the form I filled it out but I put spouse details. He kept telling them to ring me but they never did. Finally he said - ARE YOU STUPID, my wife wants to buy property, I've told you not to ring me. THEN they rang me- too late.

    I still get Emails from them (dear Ian). Hopeless.
     
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    Hi, Travelbug. I agree that it is very annoying when people want to speak to my husband, and he has to say - speak to my wife! I went to an Australian Institute of Management seminar once, filled in forms & stuff in MY name, and my husband received follow-up mail etc from them. Straight in the bin it went!
    How old-fashioned an attitude is it for ANYONE to want to speak to "the man of the house" instead of the "little woman"!! Any company with that sort of attitude is not worth dealing with, and certainly won't get my business.
     
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    To the other females: I too am starting out in this investment world and self educating on all aspects, shares also. I have barely scratched the surface and yet it seems to be a bit of 'well why don't we have a chat with your husband' etc.

    Very frustrating. :mad: Makes me one very determined 'lil lady' !
     
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    Unfortunately it happens all the time. I inspect properties and they say Ok speak to your husband and let me know. My husband wouldn't know a good deal from a bad one. If I came home today (I'm looking today) and said I've bought a house he'd just say Ok where? and What work do I need to do?

    Funnily enough you even get this from women.

    We spoke to a financial adviser and he kept directing questions at my husband. After 2 he said "look I'm just window dressing here, I don't understand anything you are talking about". :D

    Then they spoke to me. Funny at the end though they still gave the papers to my husband to sign. He looked at me and I said no. Then we left. :eek:

    Same when you buy cars.
     
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    Positive Real Estate "helping people"

    Does anyone realise Positive Real Estate only push property where they get paid 6% + commission? They don't select good value property, only property they get paid well for. So when they "push" you a $400,000 property, keep in mind they are being paid $24,000 for their "helpfulness".