Yes they are. Not an Indonesian court, but one of their own.
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Yes they are. Not an Indonesian court, but one of their own.
I don't know if firing squad is to be considered barbaric. Possibly beheading (probably depends on how well it's applied). Stoning is definitely a barbaric form of execution.
Another difference lies in the type of crime that is punishable by death and due process that takes place prior to execution.
Well, I voted no, and I think capital punishment is barbaric? WTF? How does that work?
The question wasn't "Is capital punishment barbaric" in which case I'd have said yes, the question was "Should they be granted clemency". It doesn't matter what anyone here thinks.
It's another country. They have their own rules. These idiots knew the rules. They took the chance and lost. Lost big time. It's Indonesia, not Australia.
That's why I voted no.
See ya's.
Clemancy here is whether to shoot them or not. ie whether they are given capital punishment or not. Of course it doesn't matter what anyone here thinks. That is how the ISIS feels as well.
Well, that is what I am pointing out. Jihadists are killing the non-believers "as a lesson for others". Accept that as well and move on.
Donate organs? You mean donate legs and arms? Three bullet to the chest and then the head blown off with another bullet. What organ you want to donate after that? Probably you meant operating and taking out the organs first an then shoot them?
Well, if the offer was to donate their organs...they may have a different type of execution.
Sedated first...
Sorry kathryn, it doesn't work that way in Indonesia. Capital punishment is unacceptable. That is what Australia thought some 50 years ago.
I thought there was a firing squad of 6, but only one has a bullet. They all aim and shoot. None of the shooters know who actually kills the criminal. Not sure where I heard /read this though.
And as for the slitting of throats being quicker. Those who are committing those atrocities are trying to inflict as much pain as possible and it would not be quick.
I also find it incredible how many people voted in favour of capital punishment, yes people who support this probably would see some distorted justification in the ISIS executions. The Indonesian system is barbaric and backward, but maybe we?re not so different from them after all.
Um? No,,,? Why on earth would you think that? Innocent people verses drug dealers? Just a silly thing to say.
See ya's.
The prevailing excuse of "you break their laws you pay their price" (however crap they may be). Many death proponents would sympathize somewhat with other draconian death penalties around the world.
I noticed on the teev news yesterday; right after the latest (mindnumbing) update on the two dudes in Bali - some raids here in Melb on 13 - yes that's 13 properties for drugs for that day.
Cap punishment might be too harsh a penalty, but geez; we need to take a leaf out of Bali's notebook and get a lot tougher on these people here in Aus...with the wrist-slap penalties we offer here; no wonder there is so much of it around.
Cap punishment might be too harsh a penalty, but geez; we need to take a leaf out of Bali's notebook and get a lot tougher on these people here in Aus...with the wrist-slap penalties we offer here; no wonder there is so much of it around.
I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous thing to say. I don't think these two necessarily deserve the death penalty for their crime, but I do believe in personal responsibility and accountability. They did their crime knowing full well the potential consequences. That's why I voted no.
I do generally support the death penalty for very serious crimes eg crimes against children - but in no way does that mean I support or sympathise with 'draconian' penalties around the world! What a strange inference to make.
Yes....lots
My BIL became schizophrenic and paranoid after becoming a regular user of MJ, and later he and his girlfriend (another MJ user) killed themselves together. You could argue that the drugs had no direct relevance to his state of mind, but we all noticed the change in his mentality and behaviour after a while.
Another friend of my mother has a son who was a heroin addict (still is as far as I know) and he has caused himself and the family huge dramas and problems over the years - stolen property, cops, hospitals and so forth.
I don't know any ice or cocaine etc users to comment or give anecdotal examples.
