It's all legal and covered. They don't live in it. Part of sepp you can attach ancillery structures to a granny flat. Shed, awning, patio etc. It is only the habbitable area that has to be max 60m2. I was just giving you examples of granny flats i have built and what they cost.
Build granny flat or duplex?
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It's all legal and covered. They don't live in it. Part of sepp you can attach ancillery structures to a granny flat. Shed, awning, patio etc. It is only the habbitable area that has to be max 60m2. I was just giving you examples of granny flats i have built and what they cost.
I should explore this option too.
Any links to a consultant/planner active in Blacktown Council area who might be able to take a closer look at the site and suggest practical solutions?
By the way, the property is in Toongabbie.
Toongabbie to my understanding is Holroyd council, not Blacktown Council, even though it's close to Blacktown
Don't know much about Holroyd, but your duplex maybe back on the drawing boards?
Don't know much about Holroyd, but your duplex maybe back on the drawing boards?
Mine is in Blacktown council for sure.
"Toongabbie is a suburb of Sydney, in the state of New South Wales, Australia. Toongabbie is located 30 kilometres west of the Sydney central business district and is part of the Greater Western Sydney region. Toongabbie is split between the local government areas of the City of Parramatta, the City of Blacktown and the City of Holroyd. The suburb is often locally referred to as "Toonie" and "Toonga Bay"
what a split between 3 council 
last thing you want is a leg in blacktown council for this type of development.
my best suggestion for you is to quickly pencil sketch how you would attach a new dwelling to the existing, and presented it to council town planner. At least from there, they might laugh at you or give you some guidance moving forward.
if you block is a less than 12m frontage, i would think access and car space issue.
last thing you want is a leg in blacktown council for this type of development.my best suggestion for you is to quickly pencil sketch how you would attach a new dwelling to the existing, and presented it to council town planner. At least from there, they might laugh at you or give you some guidance moving forward.
if you block is a less than 12m frontage, i would think access and car space issue.
I've done a few of these dual-occ's for clients (in Blacktown LGA) and here's the problem:
Parking
SEPP: No additional parking needed
DCP: Need to provide (on average) 3 more parking spots, with turn-bays and visitor parking, 2 must be covered
Minimum Landscaping
SEPP: Generous landscaping controls
DCP: Not so generous and must be split between the 2x dwellings, often ruining separation/privacy between the 2x dwellings.
Max Size
Whilst it would initially seem that the DCP is more generous,
SEPP: 60 sq m max + can add garage/carport/patio etc to make it 120 sq m or so
DCP: Almost impossible to achieve the same floor space unless the land is >750 sq m
Other DA Costs
SEPP: Nil
DCP: DA Consent Conditions almost always add around $10,000 or more for beaurocratic things like engaging an Engineer 2 to 3 times, Surveyor 2 times, landscape architects, RTA Turn-bay schematics, hydraulic engineers 2x etc. Expensive approvals just ain't fun.
The DCP requirements and 'DA Consent Conditions' can add considerable cost and hassle not to mention delays (it's a DA)
All but 1 client has stated to me that they wished they'd listened to me and done a Granny Flat. Its just that Council treats 'dual occupancy' as a significant development and they hammer you with additional costs - they can be quite considerable.
The SEPP trumps dual-occupancy UNLESS you can subdivide imho.
Brazen.
Parking
SEPP: No additional parking needed
DCP: Need to provide (on average) 3 more parking spots, with turn-bays and visitor parking, 2 must be covered
Minimum Landscaping
SEPP: Generous landscaping controls
DCP: Not so generous and must be split between the 2x dwellings, often ruining separation/privacy between the 2x dwellings.
Max Size
Whilst it would initially seem that the DCP is more generous,
SEPP: 60 sq m max + can add garage/carport/patio etc to make it 120 sq m or so
DCP: Almost impossible to achieve the same floor space unless the land is >750 sq m
Other DA Costs
SEPP: Nil
DCP: DA Consent Conditions almost always add around $10,000 or more for beaurocratic things like engaging an Engineer 2 to 3 times, Surveyor 2 times, landscape architects, RTA Turn-bay schematics, hydraulic engineers 2x etc. Expensive approvals just ain't fun.
The DCP requirements and 'DA Consent Conditions' can add considerable cost and hassle not to mention delays (it's a DA)
All but 1 client has stated to me that they wished they'd listened to me and done a Granny Flat. Its just that Council treats 'dual occupancy' as a significant development and they hammer you with additional costs - they can be quite considerable.
The SEPP trumps dual-occupancy UNLESS you can subdivide imho.
Brazen.
