Cairns, House and land.

We're in the process of buying in Cairns and there are opportunities there, but I would hesitate to buy in the manner you're suggesting.

Cairns strikes me as fundamentally a low-income place. There's little industry other than tourism and services to people who live there, and those are low-skilled, low-paying occupations on the whole. There is relatively little big-city-style commerce to drive a professional workforce of any size (and a lot of the professionals came from elsewhere as a lifestyle change, and came with money to buy their homes). It's the equivalent of a one-company town in some ways.

This means there is a healthy market for cheap rentals that are easy travel to the CBD - the sorts of things rented by cashiers and secretaries and waiters. This is exactly what we're buying - a <$200K townhouse, small and tidy, the sort of thing that suits the needs of the working population. It won't get huge capital gains, but it will be positive from the outset and it should never be difficult to rent.

The more expensive end of the market is a different ballgame. This isn't a statistical perspective, but there just don't seem to be that many working people on good incomes up there. Not enough to give a critical mass of renters at that price point IMO.

In Cairns, you're basically selling a lifestyle. If it's expensive, it needs to be beach (and by that I mean a 5-10 minute walk). If it's not beach, it needs to be cheap and practical for people who work. I'm not sure that either of these "mindsets" will be met by what you have in mind, and I'm not really sure who would rent it. It sounds more like the lifestyle compromise you make to get your foot in the door to own your first home, but not necessarily to rent one from someone else.

There are some good pickups in Cairns, especially in the low cost apartment-and-townhouse bracket if you're a yield player more than a capital gains player, and as long as you do some good due diligence on the body corporate. We're buying there because it also serves a shorter-term need for us as well (it will be a PPOR for a while before we rent it), and what we're buying stacks up well enough for us in all its pros and cons.

But if I were looking to focus on any area in Australia without any personal drivers in play, I would probably pick somewhere else. And I would definitely not buy there with serious capital gain in mind. There just isn't enough of an economy to imbue the land with the kind of value needed to drive serious growth IMO. At the risk of starting a controversy, Australia has a lot of land, and most of it's worthless until you co-locate it with industry and opportunity. Industry and opportunity is what changes it from "plentiful" to "scarce."
 
How long did you spend reviewing my posts?

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long enough . They weren't long posts ....

Well done, I'm sure they will benefit from the years of experience in buying the large amount of houses that you have.

I personally have nothing to gain by giving advice here ( except that it forces me to think more about my investing ) , however I have personally gained significantly from the advice that others have given me on this forum , so I am more than happy to give advice rather than responding in the sarcastic / negative way you have responded to other people on this thread .

I'm sorry for you if you can't understand the logic as to why long term posters are happy to give advice , free of charge , with no obvious benefit to them selves .

Do you have advice for the OP? or are just going to continue snipping from the sidelines ?

Cliff
 
Cairns builders

Hi,

As a local builder in Cairns, we have found that the last 12 months has shown good consistent recovery from what was a very difficult few years for our industry.

The Heron Todd White Report has indicated in last couple of months that Cairns is now in a rising market, from being in the recovery phase for about 8 - 10 months prior to that. The previous 4 - 5 years saw us at the bottom of the market.

Who's buying? Locals and investors alike, both local investors and interstate. The Chinese and Singapore markets are also showing strong growth.

For the builder you mentioned, I attach a link for the QBCC's builder search, where you can search your builder of choice for any problems that they may not have rectified, see their claims history etc. I strongly urge anyone choosing a builder to do this bit of due diligence, it can save you a big headache later.

http://www.onlineservices.qbcc.qld....arch/VisualElements/ShowDetailPDFContent.aspx

Cairns is not perhaps the most obvious choice for investment property historically, and is notorious for having long periods of stagnation. However, right now, in this rising market and with a lot of action happening in terms of infrastructure, new developments and new links to Asia direct to Cairns, there is a lot happening now, including from well established investment groups. Will it continue? Haha, who knows :)

Vacancy rates are just over 2% now, but we are seeing quite a few more properties hitting the market.

Should Aquis go ahead, the Northern beaches and Cairns in general (simply in terms of accommodating all the people needed to build the damn thing, will see rentals at a premium I would suggest.

Picking up on the Marina Development mentioned earlier next to the Tavern, we are building over half of these homes, and these were SNAPPED up by investors looking at high end rentals with an eye on capital growth as these are excellent buying IN THE MARINA WHERE THERE IS NO MORE LAND LEFT! The Tavern has been well designed to minimise noise and is certainly not your run of the mill tavern, it is very high end. There are only 1 (possibly 2) lots left to purchase.

Southside the land is cheaper, but it will cost the same to build your home, and rents and resale price are both lower than the beaches, so you would need to do your sums.

There is good land being released in Bluewater Estate (Elysian is good, but it is not flat land, so your build prices will be a lot higher). Stick to a simple flat block if you are not buying a speccy and going for a builders H and L package.

Good luck, I hope this helped. We have a display home (which is for sale with $600 per week rent back for 6 months) in Bluewater, Trinity Park (Kenick Constructions), feel free to check us out too when you get here!

Kind regards,
Rachel
 
Recently I've been to a few events that have had talks from valuers, economists, local experts etc and thought I would share what I have picked up from the presentations.

First thing being the composition of the economy and the perception that it's heavily reliant on tourism. The Gross Regional Product of Cairns for 2013-2014 was $14.355b. Of that ~$14b the direct tourism contribution was $1.388b and the flow on in secondary services is $1.846b. So that is roughly 22% of the economy that is made up of direct and indirect tourism.

Top contributors to the $14.55b was mining (10%), construction (9%), transport (8%), ownership of dwellings (10%), agriculture, forestry & fishing (7%), and admin support services (8%). The rest of the makeup belongs to other industry groups such as education, financial services, communications, defence, health & community etc.

Total 2013-2014 workforce was approx 130,000 with the top industry groups being health and community services (12%), retail (11%), admin and support (10%), accom & drink (9%), construction (9%) and education and training (8%).

Unemployment is 6.8% which is almost on par with the QLD average.

Cairns does have a lower yearly income average. The only reliable data I can find at the moment is from the ABS from 2011 which had an average income of $46,449 and during the same period the national average was $52,782. 2011 was still a year or 2 before the housing market and economy started to move.

From 1976 - 2011 population of the region has grown by 111% (1976 -128,030 & 2011 - 269,753). The projected growth is a 40% increase by 2036.

Cairns is the 3rd most visited place in Australia after Sydney and Melbourne and international and domestic passengers through the airport have increase. Domestic shows a 8.2% trend increase and international is a 17.5% trend increase.

According to the REIQ Cairns had a 8.2% increase last year but there are certain suburbs that have shown double figure growth and are continuing to show it this year.

Major projects currently underway or planned for Cairns and the region include:
$8.15 billion Aquis Great Barrier Reef Resort at Yorkeys Knob.
$1.4 billion Ella Bay Resort near Innisfail
$1 billion redevelopment of Cairns Airport.
$500 million Mount Emerald Wind Farm on the Atherton Tablelands.
$456 million Cairns Hospital Redevelopment.
$250 million Sheraton Mirage redevelopment at Port Douglas.
$616 million Bruce Highway upgrade at Cairns.
$40 million Cairns Shipping Development Project.
$33 million City Centre Alive project.
$25 million expansion to the Redlynch Central Shopping Centre.
$25 million Homemaker Centre at Portsmith.
$20 million Cooktown Foreshore and Webber Esplanade Revitalisation
Rainforest Water Australia project
Plans for multi-million dollar CQ University CBD campus.
Mount Garnet Tin Project.
$1 million upgrade to passenger facilities at Yorkeys Knob Boating Club.
$5 million expansion of the DFO shopping centre
Here's a link to some more info.

Regarding chatter - there seems to be plenty of this around. Not just the forum with a few threads popping up, but from 'experts' such as Ryder and also the REIQ that are putting Cairns (as well as other places) on their watch lists.

As always, do your own DD. I'm not trying to suggest Cairns is a good place to invest or is a better investment than XYZ, just wanting to share some information.
 
I personally have nothing to gain by giving advice here ( except that it forces me to think more about my investing ) ,

A cynical person could think that you coming into the thread just to poo poo Cairns, and then talk up where you are investing, could indicate self interest... but I'm sure that's not what you intended.

so I am more than happy to give advice rather than responding in the sarcastic / negative way you have responded to other people on this thread .

That's the point. You just said "Adelaide is good because other people said. Cairns is bad because of maintenance and insurance". It would probably be more beneficial if you explained more behind your reasoning and share some of your amazing experience.
Again, I think you're reading what someone else has said into what I'm writing.

I'm sorry

Don't be sorry. I'm sure you will continue to pass on more of your experience from all of the houses you have bought. Although none are in Cairns, I'm sure you still have more to add.
 
Regarding chatter - there seems to be plenty of this around. Not just the forum with a few threads popping up, but from 'experts' such as Ryder and also the REIQ that are putting Cairns (as well as other places) on their watch lists.

Yes, as Bran mentioned in the other Cairns thread "Cairns surges ahead with 7 per cent median house value increase". Sounds fairly realistic, I had my place revalued last month, it's increased just over 8% from what I paid under 12 months ago. Pretty happy with that.
 
Don't be sorry. .

Ha ...

You have a future in politics .

That's the most cynical , out of context quote I've seen for a loooooong time .

But now we find out the reason why you don't like any comments that are negative about cairns . You have somewhere there .

I'm surprised , if you have an IP in cairns , and it's done well . If you were going to comment ,why didn't you bother sharing some insights with the forum or the OP rather than just criticising the negative comments. Or don't you like helping others....

That's rather hypocritical of you ... Tut ... Tut .

If you don't think maintainance / insurance are an issue in cairns , , why didn't you talk about your experience . I would have been happy to have been proven wrong , rather than be subject to your sarcastically sniping from the side .

In a recent post about Townsville I raised the issue about insurance and someone was happy to provide an example of what their IP cost to insure , therefore providing useful information . The only worthwhile information you've provided was in your last past . If you were going to say anything , why not say that ?

It provided a snippet of worthwhile information .. More than you previous ten odd posts which just provided me with a reason to .... well ....:rolleyes: not that it obviously concerns you

I suppose I must be lucky you don't own somewhere in parramatta given the number of negative posts I and many other posters have said to people thinking of buying there at the moment .

So what you want is no negativity or honest opinions , in particular about any places you own an IP in ......

Luckily , most people on this forum want honest opinions from people at all stages of their investment career , including people like me who have many IP's and been able to do it successful for a number of years .

( I'm sure you can find something to quote out of context in that if you want to :D....)

cliff
 
The main contingent of the woodshed won't even be out of bed by 8pm. Just don't eat off the tables if food falls off your plate.

The woodshed was always the mark of a cracking good night, and the harbinger of much pain the next day.

Well, it seems I have been to the Woolshed before. It was so remarkable I didn't remember it the first time....

Made sure no food touched the tables :p

Hmm, just had a flashback - earlier in the evening, having dinner at the long tables, all very civilised. Fast forward to later in the night, backpackers dancing on the tables. Funny place.

Sounds like an old nightclub in Byron Bay called Cheeky Monkey;s where it was normal to dance on the checkerplate tables.
 
Well, it seems I have been to the Woolshed before... I didn't remember it the first time....


Sounds like an old nightclub in Byron Bay called Cheeky Monkey;s where it was normal to dance on the checkerplate tables.





Yep, that's pretty much everyone's experience.

And I remember Cheeky Monkey's too, quite similar!
 
Yep, that's pretty much everyone's experience.

And I remember Cheeky Monkey's too, quite similar!

When I walked in I thought "that's right, this is the place that had the cr@p music.

I remember when I had not long been 18 and my mates and I went out for a night in Byron and the bouncer at Cheekys almost didn't let us in because 2 of us were from Lismore, 1 from Casino and 1 from Kyogle. Typical Byron....
 
When I walked in I thought "that's right, this is the place that had the cr@p music.
I remember when I had not long been 18 and my mates and I went out for a night in Byron and the bouncer at Cheekys almost didn't let us in because 2 of us were from Lismore, 1 from Casino and 1 from Kyogle. Typical Byron....

Oh god, I think that place was still there when I was in Byron just before xmas. Drunken backpackers with cockney accents walking towards there. No fanks missus!
You were practically locals, what was their problem?
 
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