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Reply: 1.1.2.1.1
From: Solomon Louie


Actually Terry, a fellow called Dimitri persuaded me to sign up. He is supposedly a very successful property investor, and part owner of INVESTMENTSOURCE, he sports a gold ROLEX. He asked me a question:

"If you had discovered a mathematical formula that could turn $30 000 into $1m in 2 years and was proven to work, how much would you sell it for"?

I told him "I wouldn't sell it at all for money". I'm not greedy, but I do have an economics degree. I know that too many people saturating the market and exploiting market inefficiencies naturally creates the efficient market that makes it hard to make abnormal returns.

Eventually Dimitri employed another tactic, he told me:

"I have a proven formula that will turn $30K into $1m in 2 years and will only charge you $685 for it, but I will only teach it to someone committed to achieving their goals, and deserving of such priveledge. Why should I teach it to you, when you have claimed that you would not do so if our situation was reversed"?

I don't know how 'it' happened, but that tactic worked on me!! Stupid, absolutely stupid!!! I spent the next minute telling him why I deserved to be let into this program, how I would donate my billions to charity, that I wasn't materialistic, wealth was just a life's goal for me, and that many people would benefit from my being beneficent, and kindly. I was literally begging him!!!

I told him that if this information he was providing were only available at the top of Mt. Everest, I would be more than willing to climb it 100 times if I had to!!! I would walk barefoot through a scorching desert to discover the secret formula for making money.

As you can see, my greed and willingness to achieve my goals blinded me to reason. I wasn't even very suspicious when they mentioned that they needed the money (almost $15000) the next day. They explained the convention centre needed plenty of time in advance to book the seats.
 
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From: Solomon Louie


Thats great Dave. I had to admit I was a little worried when I couldn't find SELECT CAPITAL in the yellow pages. Didn't know if they were using it as a front for something else!!
 
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Reply: 1.1.2.1.1.1
From: Robert Forward


Oohhh, Solomon now don't go beating yourself up.

Anyone who sells something has to have the best salespeople to be able to sell the product.

I would be rather annoyed if I were HK that the salesman that you spoke with hadn't of said anything less. Some make excellent sales people and can do it very successfully and others are just glorified used car salespeople. The second type of salespeople don't hang around to long cause they soon learn that they can't put food on the table.

I'm sure we have all been "stung" at some stage, some by bigger amounts then others. Now you know what to look for so next time you can see exactly where the sales spiel is going and you can head it off at the pass and turn it into your benefit.

Cheers
Robert
 
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Reply: 1.1.2.1.1.2
From: Rolf Latham


Now that is whats known as a targetted close !

Professional salesperson territory that is.

These types of people can sell ice to eskimos and coals to people from Newcastle.

So dont feel at all bad.

Ta


Rolf
 
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Reply: 3.2.1.1.1
From: Felicity W.


I notice a couple of people have said they're planning to attend up until afternoon tea on the third day and then ask for their money back.
You'd better be prepared to stick to that, there's a tendency at this sort of thing to get "swept up" in the moment and motivation, all of a sudden the moment passes and you realise that it's not as easy as you thought it was etc etc
Just be careful that you don't go along thinking you'll dip out, only to find that you don't!
And re the Money show (still have to catch up on the last one) - I don't think it's fair to say they support managed funds above all else. I've regularly heard Paul Clitheroe recommend investment property. Above all the man is a realist - he says IP is great if you can borrow conservatively etc etc but he worries about people overgearing and then getting sunk if interest rates rise. And he's also a realist when he suggests managed funds a lot - if people set one up with an automatic deduction every month, there's some chance that they MAY actually continue with it, whereas how many people say they're going to do stuff with shares or property and then never take the time to learn what they need to do, or learn and then can't be bothered doing it or are going to do it next week...?
Like I said, Paul is a realist, and I honestly think he'd rather see people do SOMETHING rather than nothing, and managed funds are about the easiest way to do something. whether it's the best thing is always open to discussion!!
Keep smiling
Felicity :cool:
 
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Reply: 3.2.1.1.1.1
From: Lan Diep


Hi Felicity

You're right. I have mentioned in an earlier post that HK seminars are very intense - he talks extremely fast and the sessions last 10-12 hours a day. At the end of the day your mind is so exhausted there is little time or energy left to think and analyse what he just preached!

And since discovering this forum there are so many other forms of education that have suddenly become available - and affordable.

I know that when the 3rd day afternoon tea break arrives - I'll see quite a few people crowding around the investmentsource presenters requesting cancellation of their program.

My only concern now is for those that haven't logged onto this forum and that didn't watch the Money show...

Lan
 
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Reply: 3.2.1.1.1.1.1
From: Paul Zagoridis


I requested and received a refund from Anthony Robbins Wealth Mastery course three years ago. Great stuff but I'd been exposed to it elsewhere.

The money back guarantee is designed to get you in the door. They figure (like Felicity says) you'll take the path of least resistance when it comes to asking for the refund. Don't expect them to announce "if you want a refund go to the desk now".

Once you ask expect some serious attempts by the best sales people to get you to stay - they don't keep their commissions on refunds. By serious I don't necessarily mean "hard sell". Many of these guys are expert rapport builders and you will feel really awful over letting yourself down.

I can't recommend people go to a seminar and expect to have the guts to ask for (and get) a refund. Easier to take the tuition to the casino and bet on red or black.

Paul Zag
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