Climate change?

I think this guy's credibility has been trashed.
He predicted no rain - then we just had the wettest & coolest summer I can remember.
Then he purchased a waterfront property as a PPOR. :rolleyes:
 
I think this guy's credibility has been trashed.
He predicted no rain - then we just had the wettest & coolest summer I can remember.
Then he purchased a waterfront property as a PPOR. :rolleyes:

I was more refering to the poll on the L/H side. Couldn't get the link to just that.
 
IMHO many Australian's didn't mind spending money on reducing pollution when house prices were rising and their economic prospects looked rosy. In tougher economic times people tend to think short term. Bugger the future ramifications of not pricing carbon. If we get it wrong future generations can deal with it.
 
It's already been demonstrated since Climate-gate etc that there is doubt about this climate change issue. People simply aren't buying it anymore and that is why the carbon tax is so unpopular.
 
IMHO many Australian's didn't mind spending money on reducing pollution when house prices were rising and their economic prospects looked rosy. In tougher economic times people tend to think short term. Bugger the future ramifications of not pricing carbon. If we get it wrong future generations can deal with it.

what's the alternative:

"Bugger the future ramifications of pricing carbon. If we get it wrong future generations can deal with it."
 
I think environmentalists may have made a big mistake moving away from talking about pollution to talking about climate change. I'm sure at the time it seemed like it would grab more attention and funding. As a concept, it works alright when there are extreme weather conditions, like the drought, but its hard to swallow when its raining and cold all summer.
i dont know if it was Tim Flannery who said Warragamba Dam would never be full again. Its difficult to maintain your integrity when you make those sort of predictions and they dont come true.
In reality, the earth is a complex thing, and its difficult to understand or predict what its going to do in the future with any accuracy.
But we should look to protect it as much as possible.... which is why I think moving back away from climate change to managing pollution is a more attractive proposition.
It was easier to understand acid rain and animals getting killed by plastic than it is to accept that in x number of years, the temperature is going to rise by y and thats going to cause catastrophic damage. It does sound like the doom and gloom predicted in relation to y2k. Perhaps we are getting more sceptical, which has to be a good thing.
 
The problem about this whole warming business is that they are based on computer models predicting what will happen 100 years from now. We all know how mathematically chaotic the weather is - you can't even get a reasonable prediction 1 week from now, how are you supposed to do it in 100 years? Skepticism is definitely a healthy thing for everyone.
 
I also think that for your average Joe on the street some scientist ranting about a .3 of a degree change in weather over 10 years is just a bad joke.

Maybe to scientists/climatologists etc a .3 of a degree is massive but to average joe and Jill .3 is laughable.
 
Flannery had been saying the sea would rise 1 cm a year for the past 10 years or so which means that it should be 100mm higher than 10 years ago.

The fact is that it has risen about 4.5 mm which means within 10 years he is out by about 95% in his forecast.

The original IPCC report claimed something similar, the latest IPCC report at least had enough sense to say that the change is not happening as fast as expected.

Then again Flannery is paid by the Govt to support our brand new tax on everything so he has to do what he is told or he won't get a new contract will he.

I notice in the report they say that Western Sydney will have hotter days than in the past. Hmmm, now let me think, 50 years ago more than half of the land past Parramatta out to the mountains was forests, orchards, farms and dairies nowadays it if factories, houses, roads etc

Nah, that wouldn't effect the bounce back of heat, all them air conditioners don't do nothing, all those roads won't reflect heat back into the atmosphere................ the guy must think everyone is an idiot.

What people want is action on pollution, we can see that, we can smell it, we know it is happening but it is the elephant in the room that the governments of the world ignore.
 
Macca, It might have been 1952 we moved to "the South Side". A wharf-side, water-side suburb. There was a concrete gutter outside and the "spring" tides would enter that gutter and must have wet our back yard because Dad filled that with cinders from the local power station.

If Flannery were right, 60 years later that suburb would be uninhabitable you'd think. It's OK, a little water over some patches of road at the same time each year. But life goes on.

I'm curious about the politics of this though. Abbott has not had the fortitude to say directly that he believes AGW to be a hoax but if you look, the AGW case is suffering almost daily setbacks.

If our next election is next year as scheduled, the weight of opinion may give him the strength needed to "come out".

Note: Tea's on. No time to proof read. Any glaring errors will have to wait.
 
The problem about this whole warming business is that they are based on computer models predicting what will happen 100 years from now. We all know how mathematically chaotic the weather is - you can't even get a reasonable prediction 1 week from now, how are you supposed to do it in 100 years? Skepticism is definitely a healthy thing for everyone.

Aaron, regardless of the merits of the climate debate, the above is a flawed analogy. Weather and climate are two separate things. Weather is a short term prediction about conditions in specific areas, whereas climate is about long term trends. Not saying there isn't a connection, but the inability to make accurate estimates about short term chaotic systems is not linked to an ability to make long term estimates about a systems behaviour.

In property terms, the average (which ever form, mean, median, mode) price in a suburb with mixed forms of housing with only four sales in the past six months would make a prediction for the next house sale difficult. But that doesn't mean that estimates of the long term trend in the state cannot be made by looking at trend analysis.

Not saying climate change is real or not, but climate and weather shouldn't be confused.

Murphy
 
I'm curious about the politics of this though. Abbott has not had the fortitude to say directly that he believes AGW to be a hoax but if you look, the AGW case is suffering almost daily setbacks.

If our next election is next year as scheduled, the weight of opinion may give him the strength needed to "come out".

This will be the central issue of the next election, and this will drown the Govt back to the backblocks of politics for years to come.

The scaremongering Greenies have had their day, nearly stuffed the entire economy.....but fortunately will get booted out.

This will be seen for the crock that it is in years to come....

...but fear not, they've got plenty more in their socialist back pocket, any excuse to distribute the wealth will do.

They stuffed Tasmania's economy, but fortunately some sensible folk won't let them do it to the whole country.

Note: Tea's on. No time to proof read. Any glaring errors will have to wait.

Love it Sunfish. Good Aussie bloke thing to say. :D
 
Actually more people like pensioners will probably die in heatwaves from now on, but only because they won't be able to afford the aircon thanks to the carbon tax.
 
Actually more people like pensioners will probably die in heatwaves from now on, but only because they won't be able to afford the aircon thanks to the carbon tax.

No that's not true by saving that air conditioning power, global warming will be arrested and the summers will be cooler so there won't be any more heat waves :rolleyes:
 
Actually more people like pensioners will probably die in heatwaves from now on, but only because they won't be able to afford the aircon thanks to the carbon tax.

.....and apparently this cataclysm is subject only to the microcosm that is western Sydney.....nowhere else across this vast land, which unsurprisingly, is riddled with Labor held Federal seats, the largest concentration by far in the country.

Who da thunk it ??
 
.....and apparently this cataclysm is subject only to the microcosm that is western Sydney.....nowhere else across this vast land, which unsurprisingly, is riddled with Labor held Federal seats, the largest concentration by far in the country.

Who da thunk it ??

Yeh, definately reeks of desperation when the rest of the eastern states are experiencing 'extreme wet weather events'.

The thing is the ol' Labor voters have slowly caught on, and I doubt it's all because of the hip pocket.

The only ones slow on the uptake is the Labor Party itself.
 
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