Except that Bayview says you don't get or want that subsidy. Are you saying he is wrong?
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Except that Bayview says you don't get or want that subsidy. Are you saying he is wrong?
It's not a subsidy. The fuel excise is like a tax, collected to fund the national road system. So farmers and miners get the excise back as they are not using the roads.
How did we even get to this anyway and what's Mr Bayview got to do with it?
See ya's.
Ok, subsidy, tax break, whatever. You get govt assistance for your farm. Bayview says you don't. Is he wrong?
I don't get any subsidy. If I didn't get the fuel excise back I'd be subsidising the road system for everyone else.
See ya's.
You get govt assistance. Put any words you like on it, you get help from the govt.
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Whatever?. So every mine and farm is subsidised in Australia? Australia's entire primary industry subsidised? If it cheers you up to believe that then go ahead.
Lets drop the subject now eh? Just so ridiculous!
See ya's.
When I was single and healthy, I was subsidising all sorts of things for families and sick people. Right now I am subsidising immoral offshore torture camps for people seeking asylum in Australia. The IT industry I work in, gets no grants no subsidies, nothing, yet my taxes go into supporting the car industry. I don't think Australia needs such a large military, yet my taxes pay to ensure the paranoid people feel safe.
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A warming would not have a uniformly bad effect. Undoubtedly some areas will be better off. Rainfall will increase in some regions, and as you've pointed out, CO2 will increase growth. But rainfall patters will shift, and there will be areas of the world which will be drier and produce less. A rising ocean will mean some areas would be underwater- especially low lying areas like some islands and Bangladesh.
If patterns did change, there would have to be a shifting of crops grown.
Personally I wouldn't mind a warmer winter in Canberra. But I pity those people in the topics. 4C on top of temperatures they are already receiving would make things even more uncomfortable.
I'm sure farmers get assistance from the Government in some areas like protection from imports, perhaps favourable tax rates and disaster relief.
The fuel tax credit scheme is not really assistance though because it's designed to ensure that a particular business input isn't taxed.
Similar to the way that businesses can claim back their GST on inputs.
The tax should be on the end user otherwise cost increases would compound through the economy.
There was also a particular levy raised some time ago specifically aimed at funding a major national roadworks program but in general I don't think the argument about off road use subsidising road users is valid because funds raised by taxes usually go into general revenue with all the other taxes, rather than in special compartments used to fund specific expenditures.
LibGS, If you call not being liable for tax, a subsidy or assistance, then yes. But it is the equivalent of saying someone who is not on the top marginal tax rate is getting a subsidy or assistance because they are not liable for a higher tax.
The Irony is almost too much.......
Good grief, you spotted it. Fred Hollows be praised.
Don't worry Hoffy, the gagging and silencing only works in one direction.
As far as I'm concerned, the Mods can delete whatever they wish from this thread. It ain't going anywhere.
As expected, and as usual, the topic has gone out the window, like all other threads of this ilk, no opinions have been altered one iota and the end result is no change whatsoever. Once again, it's degraded to this petty ****.
This is the best line of all from Esel. Given the recent federal election results, I'd have to agree with them !!
As far as I'm concerned, the Mods can delete whatever they wish from this thread. It ain't going anywhere.
As expected, and as usual, the topic has gone out the window, like all other threads of this ilk, no opinions have been altered one iota and the end result is no change whatsoever. Once again, it's degraded to this petty ****.
This is the best line of all from Esel. Given the recent federal election results, I'd have to agree with them !!
Oh, this is just gold !!
Do you now....
Please see your above quote. I guess all of the tens of thousands of career officers and strategic planners should retire and let you take over.
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Yes, changing patterns is what those who research climate change predict as a possibility for Australia.
Warmer atmosphere means more water vapour they say.
IIRC for Australia they suggest a drier south East. Some areas the rain might come earlier in the season. Other areas less rain overall but when it does rain it will pour they say.
