Do I NEED to replace this kitchen?

Hi all

just wondering if you think I ought/absolutely need to replace this kitchen.

Was thinking of going cheap a** and just paint the existing cabinets/add new handles (leaving the benchtop...I like the funky green). Was also planning to bolster it with a bit more overhead cabinetry from Bunnings.

Any thoughts?

Stunning!!!
I agree - love the benchtop, love the tiles, might paint the walls same or different colour, would probably do something with the cupboard doors? but the brown kind of centres the other colours :p - probably change/update the floor. Hate the ceiling. Would do something to that.
It's a gorgeous picture. I don't think that blanding everything out is going to make it more attractive. :)

On 2nd look - leave the floor and cupboard doors - they seem to be in pretty decent condition. That floor is wonderful. And the pink walls.
 
Would it be better to have the new room next to kitchen instead?
Open up the entry to kitchen, making the living area kind of separate but still open plan?

Edit: and 'delete' that heater from the house

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Green bathroom... my eyes hurt :p

Hmm, I modelled various possible floorplans but not that one. The primary reason I didn't opt for this is b/c:

1) the moment you open up the front door, you see the kitchen. Currently, there's a frosted glass panel/door in front of kitchen...FYI I edited the agent out. Kind of a nice feature and a shame to get rid of it.
2) There's an old AC in the room where you've created the 4th bed. I'll need to remove and patch the hole.
3) Agree the heater is ugly but probably works and if it gets removed, guess what, I need a plumber if its gas.

Be interesting if everyone thinks this floorplan is better? I'm happy to take guidance.
 

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As a minimum, this is what I'm doing:

1) respraying the bathroom white ie the wall tiles, bath, pedestal vanity. Been quoted about $2,600 for this. Not cheap but ripping out and starting again will be circa $6-8K plus the logistical issues with trades, delays etc.

2) carpet and lino gone and polishing the floors including kitchen. Will go for a darker stain. Estimate: $2500-3000

3) minor reconfigure to create 4th bed. Cost: $1500 if not load bearing

4) Painting inside. Antique White USA in bedrooms and bathroom, light neutral grey everywhere else. Estimates are about $3500. Sadly will leave that butt ugly panelling in the ceiling the way it is.

5) PVC venetians on windows - they're only about $10-15 a set from Spotlight - Estimate: $500 including labour

6) Replace stove with 800-900mm freestanding stainless oven (to fill the gap). Will try and source this cheaply. 1.5-2m long kitchen island to hide the 'real' kitchen. Paint the kitchen and potentially respray the green benchtop in a white granite colour. Bathroom resurfacer said he'd throw this in for free. Also respraying the kitchen splashback white. Total cost for all this: hopefully circa $2500

8) Bit of a mow in the yard and post reno clean, skip etc. $1000

Estimated total reno cost: $13K best case scenario. Incremental rental return: $80 pw so not a fantastic return...but I perversely enjoy seeing the before/after.
 
Hmm, I modelled various possible floorplans but not that one. The primary reason I didn't opt for this is b/c:
Ah I see. Seems to have more things to do for the plan.
1) the moment you open up the front door, you see the kitchen. Currently, there's a frosted glass panel/door in front of kitchen...FYI I edited the agent out. Kind of a nice feature and a shame to get rid of it.
The bold part, are you referring to the agent or the frosty panel?
I personally like your approach in editing the agent out :D


As a minimum, this is what I'm doing:
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Estimated total reno cost: $13K best case scenario. Incremental rental return: $80 pw so not a fantastic return...but I perversely enjoy seeing the before/after.

Sounds exciting.
I actually think $80 is pretty good...

The yearly interest rate for $13K @ 5% = $650
Additional rental return $80 per week = $4000 for 50 weeks
Net cashflow $3350 surplus per year
And assuming you're doing them right, $13K reno will translate into more $$ in equity

But that's just me :eek:
 
I wonder if you will really get the 4th bedroom rental increase. Both the floor plans I have seen leave pretty small living areas. What's your market? If you're after families, then maybe they'd rather have kids sharing and more living area? Or you could make the 4th bedroom quite small to help maximise the living area space. If it's students then that's probably another matter.

I think I prefer EN710's layout, though I take your point about seeing the kitchen as you walk in the door.
 
PAGING SCOTT FROM DEPRECIATOR, you left your bathtub and vanity in HG's investment property. Kindly come and pick them up.

Great bath. And vanity. Did I read they are going to be painted white? There will be tears a year down the track.

The kitchen needs a big, lime green, island bench, like my one. (Then you just need to do the floor, change the paint colour on the walls, and lose the curtains.
 
I wonder if you will really get the 4th bedroom rental increase. Both the floor plans I have seen leave pretty small living areas. What's your market? If you're after families, then maybe they'd rather have kids sharing and more living area? Or you could make the 4th bedroom quite small to help maximise the living area space. If it's students then that's probably another matter.

I think I prefer EN710's layout, though I take your point about seeing the kitchen as you walk in the door.

There's a uni next suburb down....so I think a good compromise will be a smaller 4th bed - agree with you there. The local rental market is saturated with 3 bed houses and if I play in that pool, then I'll be invariably subjected to price comparisons. I'd rather be compared to (more expensive, albeit better) 4 bedders. Hence the critical need to create a 4th.
 
How about this?

Smaller bed
Keep the kitchen door
Keep the heater
Just get rid of the AC

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Thanks, I don't mind that...or it could be an AC-ed study/guest bed?? Would a family mind sticking a kid all the way down there do you think if they themselves are in the Master? I'm probably overly analysing though.

Re: ACs - they always break down and cost $$$ to repair - especially an old one. I don't even know if it works. I think I'll tell the agent to included a blurb in the lease that the AC, whilst currently in place, isn't part of the lease and if it dies, too bad.

But looks like the floorplan is a goer.
 
That glass door... I'd take it out. You are freshening up the kitchen, and if you can fit it, I'd add an island bench, even with a slightly raised hob if you really must "hide" the kitchen. That glass door looks like a cheap gumshoe private eye's office entry and I'm waiting for a bloke in a bad shiny suit and a pork pie hat to wander out and help me find a body somewhere :D.

I'd also advise against spraying the tiles, but the only experience I have is having a bath and basin done years ago by a very upmarket bathroom specialist. They both looked crap within a year and that was with us looking after them carefully.

The other thing would be to ask a local property manager whether adding a fourth bedroom really is what the market is looking for. We added a fourth bedroom (turned a verandah into a bedroom) but then people looking for houses with four bedrooms were disappointed that there wasn't an appropriately sized living area to fit all those people who will be filling the bedrooms.

Similarly, we were planning townhouses (same area) and the local agents told us that four bedrooms was not appropriate, harder to rent and harder to sell without more living areas.

I guess it depends on your local area, but I'd be asking a few local PMs rather than making assumptions. My assumptions were very wrong.

I'd also tile over for the splash back rather than spray that. It would cost less probably than the spray and will look better.
 
That glass door... I'd take it out. You are freshening up the kitchen, and if you can fit it, I'd add an island bench, even with a slightly raised hob if you really must "hide" the kitchen. That glass door looks like a cheap gumshoe private eye's office entry and I'm waiting for a bloke in a bad shiny suit and a pork pie hat to wander out and help me find a body somewhere :D.

I'd also advise against spraying the tiles, but the only experience I have is having a bath and basin done years ago by a very upmarket bathroom specialist. They both looked crap within a year and that was with us looking after them carefully.

The other thing would be to ask a local property manager whether adding a fourth bedroom really is what the market is looking for. We added a fourth bedroom (turned a verandah into a bedroom) but then people looking for houses with four bedrooms were disappointed that there wasn't an appropriately sized living area to fit all those people who will be filling the bedrooms.

Similarly, we were planning townhouses (same area) and the local agents told us that four bedrooms was not appropriate, harder to rent and harder to sell without more living areas.

I guess it depends on your local area, but I'd be asking a few local PMs rather than making assumptions. My assumptions were very wrong.

I'd also tile over for the splash back rather than spray that. It would cost less probably than the spray and will look better.

Nooooo! Wylie, you've just deflated me. I've heard respraying looks almost blemish free. What does' crap' look like? You mean it started to flake off?

So would you retile, waterproof etc the bathroom...or just leave it? And if I was doing that, I'd leave the kitchen tiles. I mean maybe the current look will come back in:(

Take your point re: 4 beds - I'll ask around to make 100% sure.

And re: kitchen, when you mean slightly raised hob, you mean having an island sit higher than the kitchen??
 
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Nooooo! Wylie, you've just deflated me. I've heard respraying looks almost blemish free. What does' crap' look like? You mean it started to flake off?

So would you retile, waterproof etc the bathroom...or just leave it? And if I was doing that, I'd leave the kitchen tiles. I mean maybe the current look will come back in:(

Take your point re: 4 beds - I'll ask around to make sure 100%.

And re: kitchen, when you mean slightly raised hob, you mean having an island sit higher than the kitchen??

This is over 20 years ago, so perhaps the products are better now, but our sink and bath started peeling from the plug/waste.

We've had other baths in rentals that held up better, so perhaps we were just ripped off. If there is a guarantee, you at least have more protection than we did.

That looks like terrazzo flooring. Does it slope upwards to meet the wall. If this was my bathroom, I would have the terrazzo refinished, because I love terrazzo. I would retile the walls and use the green bath and basin. Everything else in white. I don't mind the pop of green and it could always be sprayed later if you ever decide you want white.

Actually, if you get the existing tiles sprayed white, I guess that gets you through for a while and it is the shower that is constantly wet that will show the first signs of wear. Maybe that is a better idea for an IP. Maybe put your money into the terrazzo refinishing. We've done that but cannot recall the cost, cheaper than jackhammering it out or even tiling over it though.

Newly finished terrazzo, green tub and basin and everything else white would look great.

If you do retile, I would use matt finish tiles, rectified and large. They are easy to clean, in fact they kind of don't need cleaning and 600 x 300 means grout doesn't get dirty because there isn't much of it. I've used it in our bathroom, to replace small subway tiles that I was constantly having to use bleach on, or accept that it got dirty and live with it.

It all comes down to how long you will hold this house I guess. Maybe get a tiler to quote on retiling (re-waterproofing?) and using existing fittings. We have a good tiler too.

With the kitchen, I think the days of hiding it are long gone. But if you really want to hide it a little, you could have a raised end wall on your new island bench. I wouldn't do that but I would have done so ten years ago.

The glass wall... do you want tenants falling through that? I would look at that every single day and want to remove it. It closes everything up, but that is just me.

And if you do get the house painted, get those foam tiles off if you can. Our son had these on his house and getting them off was easy enough, but the blobs of glue were never going to be able to scrape and sand. He ended up replastering the ceilings for about $5K.
 
Nooooo! Wylie, you've just deflated me. I've heard respraying looks almost blemish free. What does' crap' look like? You mean it started to flake off?

So would you retile, waterproof etc the bathroom...or just leave it? And if I was doing that, I'd leave the kitchen tiles. I mean maybe the current look will come back in:(

Take your point re: 4 beds - I'll ask around to make sure 100%.

And re: kitchen, when you mean slightly raised hob, you mean having an island sit higher than the kitchen??

Paint the tub, wall tiles and tub tiles
replace flooring with tiles..bunnings tiles, Labour and waterproofing if required $1500?
Replace shower screen, it looks crapp $300 or so
New vanity $300 - $ 500.with installation
New mirror
New towel rack

Do all this for under $3000
 
This is over 20 years ago, so perhaps the products are better now, but our sink and bath started peeling from the plug/waste.

We've had other baths in rentals that held up better, so perhaps we were just ripped off. If there is a guarantee, you at least have more protection than we did.

That looks like terrazzo flooring. Does it slope upwards to meet the wall. If this was my bathroom, I would have the terrazzo refinished, because I love terrazzo. I would retile the walls and use the green bath and basin. Everything else in white. I don't mind the pop of green and it could always be sprayed later if you ever decide you want white.

Actually, if you get the existing tiles sprayed white, I guess that gets you through for a while and it is the shower that is constantly wet that will show the first signs of wear. Maybe that is a better idea for an IP. Maybe put your money into the terrazzo refinishing. We've done that but cannot recall the cost, cheaper than jackhammering it out or even tiling over it though.

Newly finished terrazzo, green tub and basin and everything else white would look great.

If you do retile, I would use matt finish tiles, rectified and large. They are easy to clean, in fact they kind of don't need cleaning and 600 x 300 means grout doesn't get dirty because there isn't much of it. I've used it in our bathroom, to replace small subway tiles that I was constantly having to use bleach on, or accept that it got dirty and live with it.

It all comes down to how long you will hold this house I guess. Maybe get a tiler to quote on retiling (re-waterproofing?) and using existing fittings. We have a good tiler too.

With the kitchen, I think the days of hiding it are long gone. But if you really want to hide it a little, you could have a raised end wall on your new island bench. I wouldn't do that but I would have done so ten years ago.

The glass wall... do you want tenants falling through that? I would look at that every single day and want to remove it. It closes everything up, but that is just me.

And if you do get the house painted, get those foam tiles off if you can. Our son had these on his house and getting them off was easy enough, but the blobs of glue were never going to be able to scrape and sand. He ended up replastering the ceilings for about $5K.

Yeah I'm keeping the terazzo flooring but didn't budget to polish it. No idea if it slopes though.

Perhaps I'll just spray the wall tiles and leave the bath/vanity as is since it matches the floor. Plus they would be the first to flake in my opinion. Not spraying the tub/vanity or changing the vanity will save circa $1000.

I can develop the block but not going to till its cost beneficial. So it'll remain a rental for the medium term at least. Property is in Adelaide FYI.

OK I'll consider removing the glass doors and if I do, I'll also consider a new/used L shaped kitchen bc with the suggested floorplan, the island isn't necessary. I'm starting to smell that scent of burning cash.
 
Paint the tub, wall tiles and tub tiles
replace flooring with tiles..bunnings tiles, Labour and waterproofing if required $1500?
Replace shower screen, it looks crapp $300 or so
New vanity $300 - $ 500.with installation
New mirror
New towel rack

Do all this for under $3000

Hi coastal not quite. Painting the tub and wall tiles alone (excluding the vanity) will cost > $2000. So more like $5000+

I think I'll just spray the wall tiles, leave the bath/vanity seeing it matches the terazzo floor (which I like actually). I forgot to mention the shower screen - yes that'll be replaced with clear glass.

Great, I've just saved $1000 leaving the tub/vanity alone.
 
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