Facebook mumbo jumbo

Facebook is the worst thing that has happened to the internet IMO. It has ruined so many lives and still people are so hooked on it that personal interaction is gone by the wayside and will never be the same again. Facebook creators are more than aware of the damage done and lives being ruined daily yet they sit up there in their castle and rake in the cash without a care for the families left to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives. A study was done comparing FB to the online dating sensation of yrs back when so many lives were ruined by infidelity and marriage breakdowns and now to add to it, the amount of suicides through FB bullying, racism, and infidelity rates soaring etc. FB alone is responsible for more suicides of our kids than any other form of interaction.
I myself fell victim to a bitter ex-partner who decided to make a page using my name and invited everyone I knew to join her friends list and wham. The slander I copped was unbelievable. People were ringing me every day until the page was taken down. This took 4 weeks of reports by everyone for FB to finally remove it. There was nothing the police would do as supposedly it isn't a crime. I don't use FB, nor have I ever used it and this shows how easy it is to have your life electronically violated and the potential for irreversible damage to be done to ones personal and professional life is huge.
FB has a lot to answer for and I personally hoped that the threat to delete the whole site from the internet by "Anonymous' some time ago would be carried out.
I hate to rain on anyones parade but next time you log on, just pause for a second and think about the shattered lives because you just never know you or one of your loved ones may become FB's next victim.
Sorry but I had to vent as my dislike for FB goes very deep.


Yep gotta agree . But the average person seem oblivious to what it can do. And the privacy or lack of is surreal. You can poke into the lives of every person in a small town within a few hrs if you want too.
All you have to do is have one friend that knows someone in that town.
From there you can sneak through to their friends, then theirs, then theirs and on and on you go - and some of the stuff people put on it , especially your kids.
Anyone can easily track and follow your kids, talk to them , see all their pics , friends , and theirs and theirs and easily find out anything they wanna know about them .

lt's one scary fkg monster l reckon and l don't think most people realize just what can go on in it.
Not to mention the type of things you've talked about .
 
So I just sent you a message. It went to your "Other folder".

I've never seen that before.


See ya's.

The 'Other' folder is where messages from people not in your friends etc lists are stored. If you want it to go to their Messages folder FB charges you - about $6.00
 
"If you're not paying for the product, you are the product" is a saying that applies best to sites like Facebook, Linkedin, etc - Instagram owns all the photos they have on their website to take just one example.

Just follow the money. Users pay nothing. Advertisers pay Facebook for ads and information about you. They are selling "you" to others. I can see how this works for Facebook and the marketing companies but I'm still completely mystified why so many people are happy to take part in the scam.

I can remember many moons ago my wife received a friend request from one of her actual friends which led her to try and setup an account. After she ticked the wrong box, Facebook emailed everyone in our address book with "friend requests". What a nightmare! Not to mention trying to delete the account at the time was like pulling teeth.

Never again. I'm happy to stick with "real" friends.

I remember a few years back there being a 'conspiracy theory' that FB was used to spy on people and amass data and that a few on the board of FB used to work in the CIA or whatever.
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/facebook-the-cia-conspiracy/12685)

And then I saw a doco on facial recognition software and how it was being developed. It was not about FB at all, but it was mentioned by one of the software developers that they used the photos posted to FB to practice on and refine the software. Not copy/pasting certain pics - actual access to all the pics on FB. Who allowed that? That's access to millions of photos taken over a number of years. Different weights, different hair styles, different ages, even baby or childhood photos.
 
Not copy/pasting certain pics - actual access to all the pics on FB. Who allowed that? That's access to millions of photos taken over a number of years. Different weights, different hair styles, different ages, even baby or childhood photos.

I think the more pertinent question is who would stop that?

The information is stored in a number of data centres around the world aka "the cloud".

To think the information might somehow be made "safe" in the face of that reality would seem naive in the extreme to me. I guess some law of the universe or "golden rule" could be relied on to stop anyone doing anything bad with the information - or perhaps not.
 
I think the more pertinent question is who would stop that?

The information is stored in a number of data centres around the world aka "the cloud".

To think the information might somehow be made "safe" in the face of that reality would seem naive in the extreme to me. I guess some law of the universe or "golden rule" could be relied on to stop anyone doing anything bad with the information - or perhaps not.

This is exactly the point. How many people have administrative access to FB infrastructure? You know, data centres, databases, server operating systems, data centre networks, WAN routers, web server software etc? These people are all over the world. We have no idea who they all are. FB probably doesn't know who they all are. Many of them will be in countries where staff can't be security vetted.

Once you put something on FB, it is there forever. Do we know where their backups live? Their archives? Who has accessed these and for what purpose?

I know this sounds a bit conspiracy theory, but I do this stuff for a living. And I make a very good living.
 
Yep gotta agree . But the average person seem oblivious to what it can do. And the privacy or lack of is surreal. You can poke into the lives of every person in a small town within a few hrs if you want too.
All you have to do is have one friend that knows someone in that town.
From there you can sneak through to their friends, then theirs, then theirs and on and on you go - and some of the stuff people put on it , especially your kids.
Anyone can easily track and follow your kids, talk to them , see all their pics , friends , and theirs and theirs and easily find out anything they wanna know about them .

Not if their setting are correctly set at "friends only" ... friends of friends can see nothing more than random strangers
 
I think the photos they were talking about were those that are on the initial page - the page that shows a photo and your name only (and photo is only if you have loaded one) ... which would give them access to millions of face photographs as is.

I would severely doubt they had access to all the photos "inside" someone's facebook page

And then I saw a doco on facial recognition software and how it was being developed. It was not about FB at all, but it was mentioned by one of the software developers that they used the photos posted to FB to practice on and refine the software. Not copy/pasting certain pics - actual access to all the pics on FB. Who allowed that? That's access to millions of photos taken over a number of years. Different weights, different hair styles, different ages, even baby or childhood photos.
 
Not if their setting are correctly set at "friends only" ... friends of friends can see nothing more than random strangers

Sorry, but this is a very false sense of security.

What about the site admins? The database admins? The guys changing the backup tapes in 3rd world data centres? The network admins who can see anything that gets transferred?
 
like a lot, I joined after going on a trip with friends and wanted to see the pics/comments they were uploading.
I kept my friends list & security settings locked down

FB is just a big Data store and they make their money by selling that data to anyone who wants to pay. Thats why last year FB suddenly needed your Mobile number for "extra security" when in reality its just another piece of the data puzzle that they can sell.
Interestingly and unlike what the media would portray, the average FB user is 40+ and uses it to keep in contact with friends/family.
 
Sorry, but this is a very false sense of security.

What about the site admins? The database admins? The guys changing the backup tapes in 3rd world data centres? The network admins who can see anything that gets transferred?

My reply was in regards to a poster claiming that one could snoop thru the sites of friends of friends (without being the second person's friend) and find out all about their lives and kids and photos etc ... this is just not true.

But if you want to be paranoid - then fine - don't use it. I am in the 40+ group who find it fantastic to keep in touch with worldwide scattered family and close friends ... doesn't stop me having a busy "real" social life.
 
My reply was in regards to a poster claiming that one could snoop thru the sites of friends of friends (without being the second person's friend) and find out all about their lives and kids and photos etc ... this is just not true.

But if you want to be paranoid - then fine - don't use it. I am in the 40+ group who find it fantastic to keep in touch with worldwide scattered family and close friends ... doesn't stop me having a busy "real" social life.

I have no problems with it from a 'moral high ground' perspective, I'm simply stating that from the perspective of a professional IT security specialist, there are massive privacy and security problems.

If you're happy to take that risk, then go for it. There's no way I would.
 
I think the photos they were talking about were those that are on the initial page - the page that shows a photo and your name only (and photo is only if you have loaded one) ... which would give them access to millions of face photographs as is.

This is another good reason why you shouldn't use a photo of yourself as a profile photo on fb. Profile photos are available to anyone so best to use a photo of your car or something innocuous. Google your name or email address and select images. You'll often find a photo of yourself in there which comes from your fb profile pic.

Lizzie, you can't write off someone as "paranoid" because they value their privacy. You mentioned your husband is concerned about all the private stuff you've already put on the internet. Is he paranoid?

I just spent 15 mins to find out your full name, partners name, residential address, facebook address, linked In profile and have a photo of you. If I spent another 2-3 hours I could dig up a lot more. Imagine if someone who knew what they were doing spent several days doing what I did and had plans to create problems.
 
Not if their setting are correctly set at "friends only" ... friends of friends can see nothing more than random strangers

Don't know about that Lizzie because l only joined it for 2 wks, used it twice and with just one friend, my 12yr old daughter.
Yet through her friends,theirs and theirs , in a few hrs l looked up thousands of people in my district . Scared the crappers out of me l can tell you. l didn't even know how to use it , l just went from friend to friend.
Some wouldn't work , that's maybe what your talking about but l'd just click another and bamb - another 50 people to branch from and more and more .
l closed my account that damn fast !
Wish l could get my daughter to close hers , working on it as peacefully as l can.
On one of those 2nights she put a movie on it we just made 10mins earlier .15mins she'd had 50 odd comments and 1/2 of those l've never heard off . By now it's probably 1,000s .

So l don't know Lizzie . l deactivated my account l started reading up on how to get true privacy if you have even just a couple of friends and l tell you , in reality any real true privacy was an art form all it's own.
There were all these simple tips similar to what you've said but then there were the real tech stuff and they admitted it was vertically impossible, people just don't realize it.
And l believe them because look what l did on first attempt so easily yet l'm not even very good with this crap .
This tech stuff said FB make adjustments every few mths and right now they have it damn near impossible to have it private as soon as you have a friend or two. And that anyone that knows what they're doing can easily track anyone and l'd believe it after what l did so easily .
When you have a very bored hr or two to kill , google it and really dig into the tech stuff , you'll see what l mean .
 
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Yeah l don't know about that Lizzie because l only joined it for 2 wks and used it twice with just one friend. My 12yr old daughter.
Through her friends and theirs and theirs , in a few hrs l basically looked up thousands of people in my district . It scare dthe crappers out of me l can tell you.
And l didn't even know how to use it , l just went from freind to friend.
Some wouldn't work , that's probably what your talking about but then l'd just click another one and bamb - another 50 people to branch off from , and m,ore and more .
l closed my account that damn fast !
Wih l could get my daughter to close hers , working on it as peacefully as l can.

Good luck with that. In the meantime, make sure her friends are only visible to herself. I should have included that tip in post #25.
 
When you say her friends only visible to herself right !
And l spent 3 hrs searching the net to try and find this out but -
Can we block our friends from seeing our friends and our timeline ?
Because from what l could find out , you can't and so then you can still easily just do what l did one way or another .
 
When you say her friends only visible to herself right !
And l spent 3 hrs searching the net to try and find this out but -
Can we block our friends from seeing our friends and our timeline ?
Because from what l could find out , you can't and so then you can still easily just do what l did one way or another .

Go to your profile, click friends, then click privacy options to make friends only visible to yourself. It used to be possible to create a group that you didn't want to see your timeline or photos and add people to it but they've since removed this function. If you don't want anyone on your friends list to see your timeline, click the drop-down box next to their name and add them to a group called "restricted". Anyone in this group will be unable to see your photos, friends or timeline.
 
Thanks dex , ok l'll give that a go.
l do wanna reactivate mine but only if l can make it as private as possible but yet still be able to have old friends look me up and vise verse .

That's really the only reason l wanted to join it in the first place . Gotta admit , it does seem the easiest way to find people.

Cheers
 
You mentioned your husband is concerned about all the private stuff you've already put on the internet. Is he paranoid?

I just spent 15 mins to find out your full name, partners name, residential address, facebook address, linked In profile and have a photo of you. If I spent another 2-3 hours I could dig up a lot more. Imagine if someone who knew what they were doing spent several days doing what I did and had plans to create problems.

Yes - I do believe he is paranoid - because he doesn't understand how the internet works.

Yep - doesn't take long to find out anything about anyone ... whether they have fb or not ... I don't keep anything secret, especially on here, but I bet you can't read my fb page.

You know my first name - my surname is part of my email address - hubby's first name is on my garlic website (bet you don't know his surname). Oh - and that photo is quite a few years old - keep thinking I should update it - the linkedin profile is no longer relevant - keep thinking I should update it.
 
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