FAQ - Renovating with small children on-site

FAQ - Renovating with small children on-site

When you have small children on-site, renovating an Investment Property (or your own home) becomes a major challenge. However it IS possible and hugely rewarding if you follow some common-sense guidelines.


Our Experience
In the renovation of a 3 bedroom house we did early in 2003 our two small children (3yrs and 5yrs old) spent about 6 weeks living in the property, during a lot of that time with only one parent.

During that period our children gained a new appreciation and respect for what their parents did, they became closer friends, learnt a number of new skills and became more confident and responsible.

There were no injuries suffered by the children during the period, and no more than usual episodes of unacceptable behaviour.


Guidelines
The guidelines we developed and followed to make it a rewarding and enjoyable experience for everyone were as follows.
  1. Maintain a schedule
    Your children probably have set schedules for getting up and going to bed, meals and bath time. It's important to maintain these schedules while in a property under renovation to give your children a sense of security and purpose and reduce their opportunity to use boredom or frustration as a reason to play up.

  2. Allocate kid-safe areas
    A property under renovation becomes a construction site. Children love construction sites because of all the fun things to play with. Unfortunately those fun things include planks with sharp nails, power tools, loose electrical wires, hot water pipes, poisonous liquids and other fun adult toys that children simply cannot be trusted with.

    Set aside several areas in the property which are kept kid-safe. These should include rooms with clear paths to a toilet, snacks and the great outdoors (if your children are allowed into the yard without supervision). You should also have an outside area where children can play.

    In our renovation we set aside two rooms, one for sleeping and one as a 'living' room where the children had toys and activities. In the yard was a sand pit (paved area with the pavers removed) where the children could play.

    Outside of these areas the children were required to wear shoes and during periods when the toilet was under renovation the kids were escorted to it, the rest of the time they had free access and the same with the kitchen.

    The children learnt to not stray into rooms that were not kid-safe and it was easy to close the door of their playroom to control dust and loud noise. Most kids, being sensible, don't want loud noises or dust getting in the way of their play anyway.
    Kid-safe areas can change as you work through the house, or painting and other minor work can be done after your children are asleep (they can sleep in the 'living room' when you need to work in the 'bedroom')

  3. Store tools and supplies in out-of-bounds areas
    Once you have set the kid-safe rooms, set the areas children are not allowed in. As there is nothing a child enjoys exploring more than a place they aren't allowed to be. It is best if you can lock these areas or otherwise put them beyond reach.

    Make sure that your children understand that these areas are off limits and why (they have dangerous and sharp things) and what the consequences of exploring them will be.

    We escorted our children into these areas and told them what they were used for and what was going to happen to limit their need to explore on their own.

    Most importantly. ensure your children are kept entertained in their kid-safe areas. A bored child will go looking for excitement. We found that simply by reinforcing the danger of these areas and providing plenty of distractions was enough to keep our children in their safe areas most of the time.

  4. Provide plenty of entertainment options & add new options regularly
    Children often have short attention spans, so make sure you have plenty of toys and activities in the 'living room'. A TV and console platform (with a DVD player for movies) can be wonderful provided you manage the kids' use and keep an eye on what they watch. Colouring-in books, jigsaws, lego and blocks (perhaps wood offcuts) are also great, and bring a selection of picture books both for looking at and for bedtime stories. Talking storybooks with a CD or tape are also great and have lots of replay value.

    Every few days add a few new toys and activities and take a few that your children are no longer playing with away (they can be recycled as new toys later).

    Outside toys are also good - kid-sized gardening tools, balls, Frisbees and so on. It is important to make sure your kids play outside as well as in, so toys and activities that lure them out are good.

    We found that inside toys such as a ball tower (where you build lots of tubes for balls to roll down), and outside toys such as gardening tools kept our kids busy for hours. Playstation games work a treat too (go Crash Bandicoot!)

  5. Involve your children
    There are lots of renovation tasks children can help with, carrying, digging, glueing, sweeping, destroying stuff.
    Even when not helping, many children like to know what is going on and what you are doing. They may shadow you and ask questions about your tasks.

    I believe it is important to encourage this participation, but not force it. Answer the questions, no matter how many times they are asked, your children are trying to digest new concepts and add them to their worldview. Let your children help you - in minor and non-critical ways - and they will feel involved and gain a feeling of ownership and pride in their workmanship.

    We found that by encouraging both helping and questioning that our kids became more aware of how you improve a property, safety and responsibility. They also learnt a lot of new skills and gained increased confidence in their own abilities.

    During the renovation our oldest learnt how to use a hammer correctly and built his own toys including a play-radio, a plane and a sand smoother using scrap wood and nails. Our youngest became indispensable with a screwdriver, and was always ready to help saw or hammer with her plastic tools.

    One of the things we did towards the end of the reno was to write their names and ages on the plasterboard inside one wall using a glue gun & with their help. While our children weren't so interested at the time, several times since they have brought up proudly how their names are written in the house they helped build.

  6. Follow the rule: Safety first!
    Any construction site is dangerous. Leaving tools and poisonous substances out, exposed nails in walls or planks and electrical wires hanging is unsafe when only adults are onsite and even worse when there are children.

    Following some simple safety steps will protect both your kids and yourself:

    a) Always keep the reno site clean and tidy
    b) Put tools and supplies back when you finish or need to stop a job
    c) Pull out or nail in any exposed nails
    d) Cover or blunt sharp metal edges
    e) Wrap exposed electrical wires with electrical tape and tie out of children's reach

    Even if it takes a little longer to finish tasks due to packing and cleaning up, think of how you would feel if one of your children seriously hurt themselves on something dangerous that was left out.

  7. Use the reno opportunity to teach your children other things
    During the reno we set several tasks for which our children would be paid, such as moving paving stones (which also had them exercise outside). This gave them an opportunity to earn some pocket money to spend as they liked, learn more about counting (5c per paver moved as counted by the kids) and start connecting the ideas of their labour and money.

    Out of the success of this, our kids started their own garden maintenance business, taking their kid-size gardening tools and offering to help in neighbours' gardens...making some more money for themselves in the process.

    There were also many opportunities to practice reading, learn maths and practice shopping (price and value comparisons). Disguised as part of the (mostly) fun process of renoing a house you'll find that children are quick to learn.

  8. Explore the neighbourhood, make new friends
    In most cases your reno will be in a different area to your home, even if only a few kilometres away.

    This is an opportunity for your children to explore a new area and find new friends.

    Every few days, go exploring on foot in a different direction with your children. You will find new playgrounds, interesting leafs, rocks and animals and possibly find new friends for your kids.

  9. Use the opportunity to spend more time with your kids
    This speaks for itself - don't reno all day and forget your children, they are only in the next room.

    Talk to them, take breaks and play with them - your work performance will probably improve and your life enriched for the experience, as will theirs be.

  10. Remember that kids will be kids
    If your children find an uncleaned paintbrush and decorate a wall or themselves, if they smash pavers with a rock or hammer, if they plant drill bits in the garden or cover themselves with mud while digging in the sandpit, be patient!!!

    All of these things and more happened during our reno. While they were distressing at the time, none of these incidents made the reno longer or more difficult and put in perspective, well kids just want to have fun!
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    Aceyducey
 
Fantastic post there Aceyducey. Reminded me of growing up in with my parents renovating, painting and moving all the time. We moved 11 times in my first 9 years (then I stayed in the same house for the next 8 years).

I've since personally moved another 9 times in the next 18 years.

Hmmm. You may be creating a pattern in your kids there, Aceyducey ;)

Have you talked to Sydney's Child about an article?

Regards

Paulzag
Dreamspinner
 
top post Aceyducey.
Have you thought of submitting it to go into a magazine such as Australian or Kiwi property investor mag.

I like the idea on paying the kids 5c per paver etc...
 
Thanks Acey - excellent post full of very useful information. We'll certainly be using some of your tips and experience!
Cheers
Elizabeth L :)
 
renovations with little helpers

aceyducey

i really enjoyed reading your post and i agree that it would make an excellent magazine article. We too have done several renovations with small children in tow - our children are aged 7,5, 3 and 18 months.
Everything takes a little longer with the children around! But I do think it is worthwhile - as you say, they get to see what mum&dad are doing when they are "at work", and it can be great family time. I like it that our family WORKS together as well as plays together! As well as watching and asking a multitude of questions, our children have helped us in practical ways...

raking leaves
picking up rubbish (wear gloves!)
removing wall paper
painting the undercoat on the patio posts
picking up sticks
moving pavers
sweeping
holding things being nailed or drilled or screwed
filling in holes
weeding
watering
showing tenants through! (not often)
helping dad fix the reticulation (getting dad wet be testing sprinklers is very popular)
host prospective tenant's children while their parents look through the property
help clean gutters (our 7yo thought getting on the roof with dad was awesome)
plastering and sanding.

other bits and pieces as well. Providing some scrap wood pieces is a very popular entertainer (we did a tidy up job across the road from a new development area, and each new house being built had a minibin out the front where the builders put scrap wood! Our boys made friends with all of the builders and made some magnificent boats etc - we had a family picnic at the beach to test them all out, lots of fun - a tool box with a few tools makes a great birthday present that can be built on over years. It is important to have a child-proof area if you have a tddler around (eg a shed witha padlock, or a bedroom with working door and high handle) to store things like drills and turps in, as toddlers are just NOT reliable on the whole "keep out" issue.

have fun working with your family. we do!

ann.:)
 
"Pays a pittance?"....pay it forward. I'm sure you will get a nice warm fuzzy feeling because you have inspired/helped others even if it isn't a monetary reward.
 
wish-ga said:
"Pays a pittance?"....pay it forward. I'm sure you will get a nice warm fuzzy feeling because you have inspired/helped others even if it isn't a monetary reward.


Hey that's a bit harsh...

What do you think Acey's doing by posting it on the forum?

Jas (who acknowledges her biases, but still...)
 
I reckon I'd run a high risk of a personal injury trying to watch young children while I renovated. :eek: Have to factor that in.

No way I could have had any of my children anywhere near before 8 years and even then I wouldn't be using most power tools.

I guess judgement comes into it and maybe I was a bit cautious in that I would not let the family move into a house undergoing anything more than minor fit-out. However we had heaps of fun watching significant building events from a distance while I supervised them (drots, diggers, concreting and so on).

They were all avid landscapers from an early age and made small fortunes planting stuff for us. Much sprinkling on hot days. :D

When they were young we supplied heaps of balsa, glue and water paints and they attempted to duplicate what they saw. They liked to get pine offcuts too.
Lplate
 
Lplate said:
No way I could have had any of my children anywhere near before 8 years and even then I wouldn't be using most power tools.
LPlate,

It's all about how YOU train them.

My 4 year old is competent with a hammer & is highly skilled at removing door handles & painting ceilings (she gets up the ladder). She's good with garden clippers too. She was competent with a hammer at 3 years.

She made me a wooden duck for my birthday & a marble maze because she felt like it. She's also made a bird feeder (with cover) and painted it with some help.

My 6 year old child is competent with other tools as well & can tile floors decently. He's not as interested in making stuff with his hands but does have the skills to do it & has made an assortment of toys & wooden tools himself including an aeroplane that both kids could sit in and a wooden wagon (though the wheels kept falling off).

Our children have been taught power tool safety & having seen how easy it is to drill or cut through wood, they are bright enough to not play with or near power tools. Both our kids have their own earmuffs for when they're helping & we're using a circular saw or the like.

I don't have a nail gun, but would teach them using the same safety principles - power tool, no touchee.

Neither of them were allowed to handle sharp knives in the kitchen until recently and both can use the toaster safely. Our 4year old is better at making beds than our 6 year old (she makes ours occasionally as well).

Kids have more common sense than you might credit them with...Give them a few more years & they'll be legally allowed to drive ;)

Treat children with respect & you'll be surprised how responsibly they can behave & how confident they become in their specific skills & in their wider lives.

Coddle children & they'll end up not learning useful life skills (like repairing a toilet, rewiring a light switch, tiling a floor, etc) or the same level of confidence in their own abilities.

The most important thing my kids have out of renovation experiences is the confidence to try things and no fear of making mistakes. It does show up in comparison with more protected and less confident children in their schoolwork and general outlook on life.

Cheers,

Aceyducey
 
Aceyducey said:
Coddle children & they'll end up not learning useful life skills (like repairing a toilet, rewiring a light switch, tiling a floor, etc) or the same level of confidence in their own abilities.

Cheers,

Aceyducey

Acey, I hope your not training your kids to rewire a light switch in your current reno ;)

As you are well aware it's against the law for anyone but a licenced electrician to do that work.

Cheers

Phil
 
Aceyducey said:
LPlate,

It's all about how YOU train them.

My 4 year old is competent with a hammer & is highly skilled at removing door handles & painting ceilings (she gets up the ladder). She's good with garden clippers too. She was competent with a hammer at 3 years.

Neither of them were allowed to handle sharp knives in the kitchen until recently and both can use the toaster safely. Our 4year old is better at making beds than our 6 year old (she makes ours occasionally as well).

Kids have more common sense than you might credit them with...Give them a few more years & they'll be legally allowed to drive ;)

Treat children with respect & you'll be surprised how responsibly they can behave & how confident they become in their specific skills & in their wider lives.

Coddle children & they'll end up not learning useful life skills (like repairing a toilet, rewiring a light switch, tiling a floor, etc) or the same level of confidence in their own abilities.

The most important thing my kids have out of renovation experiences is the confidence to try things and no fear of making mistakes. It does show up in comparison with more protected and less confident children in their schoolwork and general outlook on life.

Cheers,

Aceyducey

I wholeheartedly agree. Kids can do a lot more that most people credit them with. I have two daughters, 12 & 14 years old. The youngest, at 2 years of age used to make her own toast for breakfast. We did not ask her to do this, she wanted to, so we taught her how to do it safely.

Since the age of around 2-3years they both have been expected to make their own bed, and tidy their own room (this they did more capeably and willingly when they were younger).

At the age of 2 & 4 we were renovating our PPOR and they used to help. Admittedly there is not a lot they can do at this age, but this is the age when they want to learn and help mum and dad, so spend the time and teach them something useful and they will willingly help in most tasks. Even if you simply ask them to hand you the nails as you use them will make the kids feel useful, or give them some scrap wood and teach them how to use the hammer.

In the years after that we have run our own Businesses as well as renovating.

This is a list of skills they learnt from our various Businesses:- Artwork on the Computer, Design of Business Cards, Answering the phone in a professional manner, use of a guilotine, making keyrings, bagging and packaging, packing showbags, dealing with customers, DJ (12 year old used to regularly work as a DJ for us when she was 8 years old, AND she did a better job than any other employee),public speaking, operate a cash register, work in snackbar, birthday party hostess, repair and maintenance of rollerskates, sales of tickets, supervision of patrons, coaching.

Today 14 year old is holding down 2 part-time jobs (most people feel she is too young to have 1, let alone 2 jobs as she is not yet 14 & 9mths), top in her school at maths, and a State Representative in her sport. 12 year old really would like a job, but can't find anyone willing to give her a go (she has heaps of experience and is extremely reliable), is ranked 3rd in Australia in her age division for her sport, was the top in debating at school, and is regularly in the top of her year.

My belief is that they both have developed very strong skills from what has been their life experiences so far. Don't limit your children, you will be truely amazed at what they can acheive.
 
Aceyducey

Not for me, I drew the line in the sand according to what they were allowed to do at pre-school. No matter how smart or obedient the child is, he/she is still a child.

They can help paint the fence but the drill with the bit is not on for me. The battery drill without the bit got many workouts but that was because I could set the tension to low.

I don't doubt you were very thinking and caring in what you did, but I'm not sure all others out there are as capable with tools as you probably are, nor as attentive in coaching and watching them.

Anyhow I can't work effectively with power tools if I'm continually on the lookout for small assistants. But then I accidentally stepped off an 18 ft trestle once when she herself was giving me unsolicited supervisory direction (at length) late in the day. :D

Lplate
 
Lplate said:
Aceyducey

Not for me, I drew the line in the sand according to what they were allowed to do at pre-school. No matter how smart or obedient the child is, he/she is still a child.
Lplate,

When I read this I did feel concerned as a parent. And as a parent this is an area I feel very strongly about.

I do not draw lines around my children without carefully observing and testing what they are capable of first.

I try very hard not to constrain my children with outdated thinking or barriers which are defined by my fears and limitations rather than their abilities and desires.

My children are not me. My role is to assist them in realising their potential, not to channel it into directions or the potential that I feel is suitable.

Letting children explore their world, gain confidence & learn skills does not reduce their ability to be children. It enhances it.

Limiting them in what they might choose to accomplish does diminish them as humans for their entire life.

I don't protect my children from life, I teach them to embrace it - warts and all. My role is to be there to assist them, console them, be a sounding board, help them shape their views & decisions - not to make them.

Cheers,

Aceyducey
 
Like aceyducey I to first understand the limits of my children before letting them undergo tasks.
My boy at the age of 3 showed interest in the cordless drill so I taught him with a block of wood and bag of screws. he sits there happily grabbing screws and fastening them to the block all by himself. I do however draw the line at drill bits and me leaving tools unattended ( after having the leads cut off my multimeter by a set of sidecutters last IP) .
 
Renovating and Fathering Opportunities

Aceyducey said:
Lplate,

When I read this I did feel concerned as a parent. And as a parent this is an area I feel very strongly about.

I do not draw lines around my children without carefully observing and testing what they are capable of first.

I try very hard not to constrain my children with outdated thinking or barriers which are defined by my fears and limitations rather than their abilities and desires.

My children are not me. My role is to assist them in realising their potential, not to channel it into directions or the potential that I feel is suitable.

Letting children explore their world, gain confidence & learn skills does not reduce their ability to be children. It enhances it.

Limiting them in what they might choose to accomplish does diminish them as humans for their entire life.

I don't protect my children from life, I teach them to embrace it - warts and all. My role is to be there to assist them, console them, be a sounding board, help them shape their views & decisions - not to make them.

Cheers,

Aceyducey

Aceyducey
Your response and that of others (including me :) ) demonstrates that fathering is alive and well and that is a point I should have made earlier.

Children need to see their fathers at work, however so often we are hidden away so they no longer see us as they once did on farms or in simpler industries. They need something to challenge the two extremes of masculinity that are portrayed in the media by people who should know better (or maybe they have agendas): the bumbling, accident-prone idiot at one end and the crazed, dangerous molester of women at the other end. :eek:

Having observed my children watching me and other men at work fixing and creating things I know what learning and joy they experience in the process. Boys especially need effective role models now as never before. Boys were never made of snails and puppy-dogs tails and both mothers and fathers have always known that. :D

Regrettably there are people out there and sometimes educators who make boys feel disgusted about themselves.

It is also very positive and constructive that children see both parents co-operating and complementing each other in getting things done. What Aceyducey and others are doing in involving the family is wonderful. But of course we will do it in ways that suit our own abilities and opportunities and it is good to exchange ideas and what has worked for us.

So, go for it:D
Lplate
 
Excellent post Acey. Renovating whilst having small children around can be a real juggling match. Trick is to keep them busy. Even if it is doing something not earthshatterinly important, like raking leaves, it can still for children be a ton of fun.

Word of warning to parents: if the kids are excessively quiet, go and investigate. It may mean they are getting a little too close to something they are not allowed to touch and are up to mischief.

Also, for operating large power tools, try to co-ordinate that when both parents are in attendance so one is available to supervise your most precious of assets: your kids.
 
Good post!

My little son loves helping me. When I am using noisy tools - I let him know early on that he should watch from a long distance away.

He now runs and sits on the step and waits till I am finished (and I unplug straight away) till he comes back!

But he loves that battery drill so much.. I bought a second one from Big W (cheap, AND nasty) and he 'flattens' it for me quite effectively, saves mine from going flat when I need it most.

But he's very useful at handing me things, or carrying things. I've often dropped a screw and he's picked it up and given it back. (probably wanted to put it in his mouth at the time!!)

He also hands me stuff I don't need at times, like when I am drilling a screw in and got both hands busy and blinded by sweat, he hands me the brush and dustpan or something similar, saying "ta, the brush, daddy!"

fun.
 
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