How old are you Phar Lap?
Ninetynine
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How old are you Phar Lap?
"Scumbag" is pretty harsh.I would rather spend a month locked up in a room with guy Sebastian playing on repeat than ti have that scumbag as our PM
BV - I present up you your spectacular successOK, you can be a bigot and not be on the far right. Economically he may be more moderate, but I maintain that he's socially far right, more akin to One Nation.
He's a social extremist: he's Islamophobic, opposes human rights for non-Australians (and even some Australians), opposes marriage equality, introduced Operation Sovereign Borders (which arguably violates several international laws), and lacks human decency (responding to reports of an Indian student's suicide in detention in an absolutely heartless manner).
Apart from that, he's freaking awesome.
Merely an opinion of the man, based on a different view.BV - I present up you your spectacular success
Pls don't pretend you support his humanitarian efforts, becausr they dont exist. Lives are not being saved, just because the official stats of lives lost at sea have dropped doesn't mean people aren't dying, they're just not recorded by us.
Paying people tp turn around boats, reducing our refugee intake, being anti gay marriage, lacking empathy and being a general scumbag - we clearly like different things in politicians and human beings by the sounds of it
Sanj,it's good we live in a free thinking country,some places in the world and I can think of several,if you made statements like that,the black Mercedes would pull up in the carpark next too you and that would be the last anyone would see of you..
I guess we will need to go out to the detention centres and see what the conditions are actually like.Btw, supposed treatment of refugees and supposed suicides? Seriously? I guess Ivan Milan only supposedly killed people right?
There's no point being pleased about these lives being saved unless we know that it's more lives than have been lost in illegal Indonesian hideouts, in other countries' waters after having been turned back, or when they are forced to return home to where they were being persecuted.But; another 2000 lives (or maybe more if Labor had another 6 years) saved gets my tick.
Let's sit back and see what the record for the man is by the end of the Libs' crack at things.
Incidentally; I haven't yet heard Labor congratulate him or the Libs for this result with the boats and lives...not once.
They don't get schooling, and doctors have been saying for years that the healthcare is woefully inadequate. In any case, the whole point is not about detention conditions, but that it's illegal for us to detain them at all. It is a fundamental principle going back to the Magna Carte that people aren't imprisoned in the absence of committing a crime. These people have committed no crime.I guess we will need to go out to the detention centres and see what the conditions are actually like.
From my understanding, they get health care, a bed, food, the kids get some schooling...
The boats have not stopped. They have just changed their direction. People are dying in more palatable locations.
I know a bloke who has done two stints as a psychologist on Manus Island. He can't do it anymore. He's too embarrassed and distressed by what is happening. When 6 year old kids stop eating and start cutting themselves, there is something pretty awful happening.
So, we can't win with you and folks of your mindset, Perp..They don't get schooling, and doctors have been saying for years that the healthcare is woefully inadequate. In any case, the whole point is not about detention conditions, but that it's illegal for us to detain them at all. It is a fundamental principle going back to the Magna Carte that people aren't imprisoned in the absence of committing a crime. These people have committed no crime.
I think that they need to apply like any asylum seeker/refugee and/or potential immigrant under the correct channels.Further, they are not even Australia's detainees, are not being processed by Australia, have zero rights under the Australian legal system, and are prohibited from being settled in Australia, whether their claims are valid or not.
From my understanding, those with legitimate claims are processed. It may not happen in a timely manner for the detainees of course.(And recall that approximately 90% of them are found to have legitimate claims.)
I don't agree.They are being processed by Nauru and PNG as the "host" countries. We're paying for it out of guilt for the plethora of international laws we've violated by putting them there.
Yeah; how careless and irresponsible of the Aus Gubb.Um excuse me, you're clearly not looking at this correctly. The fact tthat those 6 year Olds even have knives to cut themselves with or blood to spill is becausr of our help.
So, we can't win with you and folks of your mindset, Perp..
They arrive here uninvited, and if we take them in:
1. We are breaking a law,
What the hell do you people want?
Um, no, there are loads of ways we could take them in that wouldn't be violating international law. Such as let them fly in, and then once they're identified, release them into the community whilst they have their claims assessed. Most of the first world does it this way; it's really not that revolutionary. Australia is the exception, not the rule.They arrive here uninvited, and if we take them in:
1. We are breaking a law,
Here, we entirely agree! Australia has unfortunately shut off those channels. Any boat arrival since 13 August 2012 has been prohibited from applying for asylum in Australia entirely. Australia has prohibited these people from applying.BayView said:I think that they need to apply like any asylum seeker/refugee and/or potential immigrant under the correct channels.
As above, not by Australia.BayView said:From my understanding, those with legitimate claims are processed.
Because none of those countries are signatories to the United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees; these are the countries who maintain the official "queue" that some are so obsessed about. They're trying to do what the very people who lack any compassion say that they should do: join the queue via the proper channels. This can only be done from within signatory countries.BayView said:They leave where they were, and travel THOUSANDS of miles through and past several other Countries on their way to here.
Why do they not stop anywhere along that route, rather than extend the trip and increase their danger?
No, I will not. We can, and should, do so much better. We do far less than many other countries who are far less wealthy and less able to provide for refugees. We should be ashamed of the present situation. (And, before you say it, this is not a Labor/Liberal thing; the Labor Party also supports offshore processing and has policies that are no better on this subject. I condemn the ALP, too.)BayView said:please stop trying to make Australia feel guilty on this topic.
We really don't.BayView said:We do a hell of a lot more than many, many other Countries will.
How about; "we allow them to land, we allow them to be saved"People with compassion need to make these decisions.
Subjecting people to physical and mental abuse is far different to "we take them in". Seeing that phrase and the implication behind it makes me physically ill.