How important is Certificate of Title?

I think I've read somwhere that amongst most important documents you can loose in fire is Certificate of Title for your house. If that's true than I'm a bit confused. Aren't ownership rights confirmed by records stored by Land Titles Office?

Cheers,

Lotana
 
I think I read somewhere that there are two certificates of Title. The one you have (a copy), and the one that the Land Titles office keeps (the original?). I have no idea how important it is these days, especially because virtually all the information is computerised these days.
 
more important under the old system of title. that was written on a piece of paper (which could be burned).

Torrens title is kept on a computer somewhere. so you don't have to worry about fire, the gov has to worry about backups!

If you have a property under the old title, you can cahnge it. Makes life easier for everyone.

Jas
 
Hi

The cost of a replacement Certificate of Title in NSW is $62.00, a further fee of $62.00 is payable if the CT is a manual title (not being converted to a automated title at this time).

In the case of a CT being destroyed by a bushfire the fee is waived (at present).

In a nutshell, evidence of loss, fire certificate or police report (if burnt or stolen) would be attached to a statutory declaration explaining the loss.

Copies of the register are now placed on optical disc and stored in secure sites.

regards
Simon H
 
So basically so long as the Land Titles office isn't lost in a fire you're fine :)

And if it is, think of the opportunity!

Cheers,

Aceyducey
 
Hi

The records are kept interstate as well as places like Parramatta, so if worst came to worst and the office was lost, the system could be up and running again quite quickly.

Nice try though ;-)

regards
Simon H
 
Hi Jerry

what happens if the city and parramatta office both of the place is burn down by fire just like canberra???

If these offices as well the interstate offices all burn down at the same time then we are all in a lot of trouble.

regards
Simon H
;-)
 
Hi All,

Major government departments and big business are now archiving their data to specialist companies that provide bomb (to a certain extent) and fire proof buildings for data backups.

Glenn
 
Comes down to risk management. What are the chances of the land titles office and every "offsite backup site" being destroyed pretty much simultaneously?

If that happens, then there will be a percentage of people who do not have their Certificate of Title.

Even then, if that was to happen, how many people would not have other substantive proof of ownership (eg. Council Rate records, bank mortgages etc). All of which offer prima-facie recognition of ownership.

(Whether that would be accepted, of course, is another matter).

Problem is, even if you did have the Certificate of Title (Copy), and the titles office burns down, it places real suspicion on all the copies since they are therefore much more open to forgery and fraud.
 
For me, the problem was not the certificate of title, but the building approvals.

Council had lost all its records ("burnt down")- I had to pay for a surveyor to resubmit plans to ensure that everything was legal.
 
hrmmmm ...........

notes this in his anarchists notebook incase all doesnt turn out to plan

burn down all land titles offices hey :p

j/k's
 
Certificate of title

The CT issue isn't that straightforward.....at Law School, i was taught that you should never let the CT fall into the "wrong" hands as someone can actually use your CT to register an interest in your property.....case law supplies many instances of this. It is fraud but is apparently hard to reverse.

Savanna
 
So far, I've never seen a Certificate of Title anyway. As soon as the mortgage starts to go down (and the value of the house goes up), I'm off to the bank for another LOC loan to use as deposit for another property :D
 
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