Hows this for an RE ad?

I knew there was a reason I usually only post in the morning... I'm not a "night person". Sorry for being unclear.

Child pornography is disgusting and exploitative and yes, it exists. What I should have said is that it's unnecessary to use children or minors to produce pornography targeted at the mainstream, because there are plenty of legally aged people willing to participate.

We don't say to adults that they can't have sex because it would be inappropriate for children to have sex. In the same way, I think it's appropriate to have laws which say that adults can participate in and consume pornography, but that children mustn't be involved.

Lot's of stuff is uncessary but it stil l happens.

Child por exists and is made and people do go to the trouble of exploiting both children & adults to create por whether we like it or not, and whether you suggest in your post that they don't cause there is so much existing amateur porn out there ???????

Anyway, I better get of this topic before more of my obviously offensive replies suggesting that minors can and do get exploited and hur by adults get deleted again
 
Lot's of stuff is uncessary but it stil l happens.

Child por exists and is made and people do go to the trouble of exploiting both children & adults to create por whether we like it or not, and whether you suggest in your post that they don't cause there is so much existing amateur porn out there ???????

Anyway, I better get of this topic before more of my obviously offensive replies suggesting that minors can and do get exploited and hur by adults get deleted again

Child porn is criminal as the children involved are not old enough to properly formulate the required consent. No different the a film production crew going on the street and filming the rape of a person by a bunch of actors they are paying.

Jaycee's quote:

Ian

Seriously, as another male, that post disgusts me.

Please don't explain in more detail I really don't want to know, but it's your right to I suppose. I'm not going to explain this post in more detail either.

How was she hurt? Hurt feelings- this is what I am saying about the invasive nature of the feminist brigade- everyone is expected to regulate otherwise lawful behaviour to fit in with the expectations of the vocal nagging minority. If the use of the photo was a breach of copyright or defamation then sue the b*stards but otherwise STFU. Did she not stipulate the use of her photos when signing the release/waiver as she received her pay cheque for the assignment?

Belle, do you see that by attemting to regulate my behaviour through a defacto censorship enforced through "gender equity" stigmatization you are displaying a degree of arrogance and white-anting the principles of a democratic society?

First thing Hitler did was burn books as a way of regulating what were acceptable thoughts/behaviour in Germany at the time. The strident protests posted here would be right at home back in 1933.

After we get rid of the porn- what's our next target? Trade Unionists? Scientologists? Boy Scouts? Homosexuals?????
 
Child porn is criminal as the children involved are not old enough to properly formulate the required consent. No different the a film production crew going on the street and filming the rape of a person by a bunch of actors they are paying.

Jaycee's quote:



How was she hurt? Hurt feelings- this is what I am saying about the invasive nature of the feminist brigade- everyone is expected to regulate otherwise lawful behaviour to fit in with the expectations of the vocal nagging minority. If the use of the photo was a breach of copyright or defamation then sue the b*stards but otherwise STFU. Did she not stipulate the use of her photos when signing the release/waiver as she received her pay cheque for the assignment?
Belle, do you see that by attemting to regulate my behaviour through a defacto censorship enforced through "gender equity" stigmatization you are displaying a degree of arrogance and white-anting the principles of a democratic society?

First thing Hitler did was burn books as a way of regulating what were acceptable thoughts/behaviour in Germany at the time. The strident protests posted here would be right at home back in 1933.

After we get rid of the porn- what's our next target? Trade Unionists? Scientologists? Boy Scouts? Homosexuals?????

As I said, I'm not going to explain my opinion or feelings in any more depth

Why not leave it at us disagreeing rather than trying to make me feel more uncofmratable by pressing the issue ?

Not getting into it, I disagree with you and am surprised at the responses from some, but I'm not going to defend my feelings in order to have them ridiculed by people and be compared to Hitler..

thanks for the opportunity to contribute
 
Not to derail the derailed thread, but can't wait to show the missus' this vid when she gets home from work, absolutely hilarious! :p

Didn't like the cutting from the girl to the tossers, a bit amateur. Much of their speaking was a bit naff, too. Other than that a good attempt, can see where they were trying to take it.

Belle: Boo on you for calling her a skank.

Don't mind me, I'll be off now to hear from a female friend of mines weekend coming up, apparently the girls are hitting up the local male dancer stripjoint for a hens night.
 
Like I've been saying, feminists needs to take a chill pill. Then they might actually find a man and their frustrations won't have to be taken out on us forum members
 
Like I've been saying, feminists needs to take a chill pill. Then they might actually find a man and their frustrations won't have to be taken out on us forum members

Which feminists are you talking about exactly ?

I know Belle would be one, who are the others ?
 
Why would you assume that she, or any other model, hasn't achieved more in life than what's represented within the context of a photo shoot? :confused: Why the assumption that she's not a talented musician, or a student, or saving the money to be a volunteer in the third world? Shouldn't feminism applaud women taking control of their bodies and sexuality, without shame?

I did say in one of my posts that she may be using the money to pay for her Phd, so I'm not assuming she has no brains. My own personal belief is that she could put those brains to better use than just the motor skills required to disrobe...but many men will disagree :D
 
What better uses could she put her brain to than getting a PhD? Even if she didn't want to get a PhD, what's a better option? Getting paid more for one days work than most people get paid a month or working some crappy job she hates for significantly less money?
 
You admire them for doing something different? Oh yes, totally. Women have never been sexually objectified to sell a product before have they? How innovative and original. Truly genius! :rolleyes:

I'll wager she knew exactly what her role would be in the scheme of things; to draw attention to the screen.

I can't remember the last time a nice looking young lady was held at gunpoint and made to do this sort of work for free.

Go and live in L.A for just one week, and I will guarantee you will see 1,000 girls who are already willingly doing this stuff in normal life; in the attempt to get noticed by someone who might pay them big bucks to do it professionally. They are seriously out there looking to get into exactly that type of work - modelling; photographic etc.

Good on 'em for having the courage and self esteem to give it a go.

Does Elle Macpherson lose sleep because she has made millions off her looks?

I think we all need to realise that if they choose to do the work and get paid good dough to do it; they are not being exploited.

Of course; blokes like me shouldn't be allowed to get such a huge amount of enjoyment out of their work. :D

aah! but there's the equaliser - the girls can earn very big money, which is a reflection of what they provide through their work.
 
PhD students at my university are paid well in excess of $100 per hour to teach tutorials and lectures. They are also very well paid working as research assistants to professors, authors and a range of other organisations. As far as I know to undertake a PhD students have to first complete an Undergraduate degree with Honors or an Undergraduate degree and a Master’s degree. I’m at a loss as to why PhD students would need to resort to stripping to make good money.

I know quite a few people who have completed post grad studies and worked full time in their field at the same time. This whole male fantasy that models, strippers and prostitutes are secretly students seems so odd to me! Well, whatever helps you sleep at night!
 
this one time.... (at band camp)......I met this stripper and her name was Candy.. that was her real name.. and she was a student...... she told me so

so yeah, all of them ARE SO students
 
As I said, I'm not going to explain my opinion or feelings in any more depth

Why not leave it at us disagreeing rather than trying to make me feel more uncofmratable by pressing the issue ?

Not getting into it, I disagree with you and am surprised at the responses from some, but I'm not going to defend my feelings in order to have them ridiculed by people and be compared to Hitler..

thanks for the opportunity to contribute

Sorry mate- not meant as a personal attack but western liberal democracy is my way of life and it is threatened from many quarters.

It is never my intent to ridicule but extreme examples like Hitler are a useful tool to consider the long term consequences for short term actions taken to appease the vocal minority.
 
PhD students at my university are paid well in excess of $100 per hour to teach tutorials and lectures. They are also very well paid working as research assistants to professors, authors and a range of other organisations. As far as I know to undertake a PhD students have to first complete an Undergraduate degree with Honors or an Undergraduate degree and a Master’s degree. I’m at a loss as to why PhD students would need to resort to stripping to make good money.
My partner was doing a PHD a few years ago and there is no way she could have survived on what was earned.

The Howard cutbacks (at least to the Humanities) meant less work available and there was always politics involved.

I think academic life is more cut throat then legal practice so I don't blame the girls who resort to stripping or other work.
 
I’m at a loss as to why PhD students would need to resort to stripping to make good money.

"resort to stripping"? Maybe they enjoy stripping/modelling/whatever and find it's 'easy' money compared to some of the other options available.

I admit, it's not something I would ever consider, but I try not to judge too harshly those that do, although I admit I do a bit, until I hear their story. In America, much of the tertiary education is self funded, so I can appreciate why some girls use their "assets" to pay for their education, and I say good on them for trying to turn their lives around, especially if they have come from an ordinary home.

I know someone who looked into doing stripping as a second job to earn some extra dollars. This is someone who works in a professional office. She learnt how to do pole dancing, and hearing what she told us, makes you really appreciate the skill and fitness levels involved. It's not all about being a bimbo getting your boobs out. She said a number of the girls are on drugs so yes, that's probably what most of the public perceive strippers as. However, there are a number of them who really treat it like a business and bring in hundreds or even a thousand in one night and are sensible with their earnings. They don't waste time on men not prepared to pay and move onto the next customer and work it as a business. Sorry guys, but the girls just aren't into you at all, just your $$. :)

As for the comment of "resorting to" stripping, I guess it depends on what you see as moral issues. I have more of a problem with a criminal lawyer who can defend someone that they know without doubt, is guilty of some of the horrific crimes we see and create disgusting defences such as temporary insanity, provocation etc. Someone choosing to strip seems less harmless to society than trying to get an evil murderer back on the streets. That's just one example of where there are worse "accepted occupations" in my opinion than someone stripping. Although if I had the choice of my little niece becoming a stripper/model or a doctor, I'd hope she goes the doctor, so I guess I agree with you to some degree Belle.

I wasn't going to get involved in the debate, I've seen some pretty strong comments on both sides in this thread, but I think I sit in the middle somewhere between Belle's comments and some of the others. But I'm not a guy, so probably feel less passionate about girls getting their gear off in strip clubs and porno movies. :)
 
Sorry mate- not meant as a personal attack but western liberal democracy is my way of life and it is threatened from many quarters.

It is never my intent to ridicule but extreme examples like Hitler are a useful tool to consider the long term consequences for short term actions taken to appease the vocal minority.

My response was to your post discussing 1 incident. Not the whole feminist brigade... a 12 or 15 yr old girls naked hot being circulated in public, it to me, sounds like it can be very detrimental to a young girls' psychology.

You don't. I'm surprised. I think that sums up wht I was saying anyway.
 
My response was to your post discussing 1 incident. Not the whole feminist brigade... a 12 or 15 yr old girls naked hot being circulated in public, it to me, sounds like it can be very detrimental to a young girls' psychology.

You don't. I'm surprised. I think that sums up wht I was saying anyway.

Woah, who said she was naked? I certainly never assumed that. Just because her pics were used to advertise a porn site doesn't mean she had no clothes... I was under the impression they were regular modeling photos.
 
I could think of far worse things that would concern me.

As long as they're not harming themselves or others, and I don't see the harm in this, then it's fine.

You raise a good point Weg.

Assuming no excessive education and aspirations to be a surgeon, lawyer etc - which let's face it is a large proportion of both males and females out there whether that was their intention or not, what would you rather have your daughter/wife do:

A) Work 38hrs a week in a boring office/retail job to bring home $800per week.

B) Earn that same $800 for one hours work in a photo shoot such as the original ad from this thread. After that she has the choice of doing absolutely nothing else for the week, or heaven forbid work a few more hours and average a couple $k a week over the year?

hmmmmmmm
 
What better uses could she put her brain to than getting a PhD? Even if she didn't want to get a PhD, what's a better option? Getting paid more for one days work than most people get paid a month or working some crappy job she hates for significantly less money?

Ah I see Mark beat me to it. Well said.
 
Woah, who said she was naked? I certainly never assumed that. Just because her pics were used to advertise a porn site doesn't mean she had no clothes... I was under the impression they were regular modeling photos.

Woah, you're talking about another conversation.

I was discussing this and replies to this.

Originally Posted by Belle
Yes I do think 12 year olds are going to make pornography and post it on the internet. I knew a 15 year old girl who took photographs of her genitals and sent them to a guy that she was having a sexual relationship with via MMS. The guy sent the photos to all of his friends including my boyfriend at the time. My boyfriend showed me the picture because he thought it was funny. If I know kids who are actually doing this type of stuff, I'm sure there is much worse out there.

 
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