I agree, so would I.
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Hows this for an RE ad?
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I agree, so would I.
Why does it have to be a choice between men hassling women in the street and men paying women to take their clothes off? Can they not control themselves? Sorry if I expect more from men than that! Something tells me that the men hassling women in the street are probably the same men visiting the strip clubs!
Something I have learnt from my “perfect & naive" life is that you never really know what is going on in another person's life. Things can seem really perfect from the outside looking in when they're far from it. Your friend might be putting on a brave face. My instincts tell me it probably isn't as great as she makes it out to be. Maybe you should ask her some questions about it? I’m almost certain she would have been propositioned to exchange sex for money. Has she ever had a “customer” put his hands on her without his permission? Has she ever felt unsafe at work? Has she been verbally abused or assaulted? How has her opinion of men changed? Is she able to have a healthy relationship with a man?
Anyways this topic has gone sooo completely off track and I'm sure you're all bored of my rants by now. You all know my point of view on this stuff so I'm not posting on this thread anymore!
Something I have learnt from my “perfect & naive" life is that you never really know what is going on in another person's life. Things can seem really perfect from the outside looking in when they're far from it. Your friend might be putting on a brave face. My instincts tell me it probably isn't as great as she makes it out to be. Maybe you should ask her some questions about it? I’m almost certain she would have been propositioned to exchange sex for money. Has she ever had a “customer” put his hands on her without his permission? Has she ever felt unsafe at work? Has she been verbally abused or assaulted? How has her opinion of men changed? Is she able to have a healthy relationship with a man?
Anyways this topic has gone sooo completely off track and I'm sure you're all bored of my rants by now. You all know my point of view on this stuff so I'm not posting on this thread anymore!
What kind of trashy strip joints do you go to Belle? There are plenty of fine establishments wherein the dance routine better be good, otherwise no go. I've yet to see any masturbation or simple 'take clothes off and open legs' routine. No class.
I suppose you turn your nose down to traditional burlesque as well. Just because you don't agree with certains things, doesn't mean they can't have class, be reputable and a respectable art.
BTW: I go to university with three girls who are models, one does underwear (showing the same as the girl from the advertisement), and another girl is a stripper. All are very intelligent and well rounded girls. They are not 'resorting' to 'depraved' levels Belle, and you're attitude to people who do such work is completely judgemental. Grow up.
I suppose you turn your nose down to traditional burlesque as well. Just because you don't agree with certains things, doesn't mean they can't have class, be reputable and a respectable art.
BTW: I go to university with three girls who are models, one does underwear (showing the same as the girl from the advertisement), and another girl is a stripper. All are very intelligent and well rounded girls. They are not 'resorting' to 'depraved' levels Belle, and you're attitude to people who do such work is completely judgemental. Grow up.
Belle, we're talking about adults here. Do you undersand that?
If a woman hates stripping and can't walk away, then she has other, far bigger issues she's dealing with - the stripping is not the cause of her problems.
This isn't a third world country where these are very young women or children that are made to do this type of work. That is very different and something that everyone here would find abhorent.
Biggles is right in that you don't understand human nature at 22. I asked your age because I thought the same thing.
I stand with the statement that you can have your views on this, I think this is OK, but I think there's a lot about life you've yet to understand.
Your PhD student friends are unlikely to admit to you things that repel you.
I'd say most strippers on the job are more concerned with their developing callous'/sore feet/argument they had with their boyfriend the night before/bitchy coworkers/being tired from overwork. The same things other workers worry about.
I think some actually enjoy the job as well as the money, just like some of the women at the counter at Meyer do
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If a woman hates stripping and can't walk away, then she has other, far bigger issues she's dealing with - the stripping is not the cause of her problems.
This isn't a third world country where these are very young women or children that are made to do this type of work. That is very different and something that everyone here would find abhorent.
Biggles is right in that you don't understand human nature at 22. I asked your age because I thought the same thing.
I stand with the statement that you can have your views on this, I think this is OK, but I think there's a lot about life you've yet to understand.
Your PhD student friends are unlikely to admit to you things that repel you.
I'd say most strippers on the job are more concerned with their developing callous'/sore feet/argument they had with their boyfriend the night before/bitchy coworkers/being tired from overwork. The same things other workers worry about.
I think some actually enjoy the job as well as the money, just like some of the women at the counter at Meyer do
.Hahaha what happened to her? Maybe she grew up.
Aaaah, amusing
Moulin Rouge in Paris was a great night's entertainment. Unfortunately though all these beautiful women were topless on stage.
Well I was talking about the model who was used on a porn site- I didn't think she was naked. A naked 15 yo is Child porn in the usual case and a criminal offence.
Your suggestion that all feminists are man-haters and/or unattractive is as ridiculous as the extreme positions that some feminists take.
I don't know which idyllic university/faculty your acquaintances are involved with, but the PhD students that I know struggle. And as others have pointed out (well said, Biggles), your use of "resort to" implies that everybody else shares your opinion that stripping is undesirable. They don't. (Some or even most will, I'm sure, but not everybody.) If even 1% of women would enjoy it - and I suspect that it's more than that - then a city like Sydney has at least 30,000 women who are willing to do it and in the right age bracket.
For a woman with exhibitionist tendencies, she might do it for free.
You don't seem to appreciate that other people can have completely different preferences and values to your own. But that'd be because you're 22. When I was 22, I probably felt similarly - as Biggles said.Yet you seem to know what people could and couldn't enjoy.
With your judgement so obvious, I very much doubt that people are going to open up to you that they enjoy stripping, watching porn, swinging, having an open relationship, or whatever.This has been an interesting thread. Thanks, everybody, for discussing a delicate topic in a (mostly) civilised fashion.
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Yet you seem to know what people could and couldn't enjoy.
I have friends who have done everything you just listed and they were open about it with me. I'm not a judgmental person. Judgmental implies that I would have called my friends horrible names, lectured them or stopped being friends with them. I've never treated anyone like that! I think I’m a pretty understanding and sympathetic person. My friends all have reasons for their choices.
However I would agree that I am extremely judgmental of the owners of porn production companies, brothels and strip clubs. I think they’re scum and for that reason I’m unwilling to hand over my money to them as a consumer.
I'd be interested in knowing what proportion of women working in strip clubs, brothels and as pornographic actresses you estimate as being from normal, healthy upbringings that simply enjoy this type of work because they are sexual extroverts?
Do you think it's 1%? 20%? 50%? 100%?
What proportion do you think come from backgrounds of abuse and poverty? What would be an acceptable percentage?
At what point can you say...only xx% of the women working here come from backgrounds of abuse and disadvantage so I can visit them with a clean conscience? Only xx% of women working in these areas are emotionally or physically traumatised by their work so it's OK?
I'm just asking can you support an industry that is built on taking advantage of and profiting from vulnerable and damaged women and children? Can you support an industry that traumatises the women that work for them? Can you support an industry that glorifies the objectification, abuse and rape of women and children?
The above paragraph is how I see the sex industry and because of that I can't support them. Maybe you see the sex industry differently to me, or maybe you can ignore the mistreatment of the people involved. You can all make up your own minds on this stuff. I'm just expressing my opinion and the way I see things.
Sometimes I wonder if the sex industry could be revolutionised? Could it one day function in an ethical and decent way? Probably not in a society that is still in many ways a sexist one. But, maybe in the distant future it could work.
However, the fact is that right now the adult entertainment industry is disgusting and it’s only becoming more extreme. People aren’t demanding that it changes. In fact people are demanding more violence and aggression as they become desensitised. I can only imagine things going downhill in the future. The current state of the adult entertainment industry, particularly pornography is a threat to our sexuality not something that enhances it.
Another essay. Ughh sorry.
This one is much smuttier, albeit accidental:
http://theage.domain.com.au/red-faces-over-real-estate-hardcore-porn-error-20110309-1bn9c.html
http://theage.domain.com.au/red-faces-over-real-estate-hardcore-porn-error-20110309-1bn9c.html
Good for them. A national advertising campaign, all for free.
So has the house sold yet or what ?! It's great that people will find it humorous etc and that will get the agency's name out there a bit more, but how does that help the vendor who needs to his house ?
Her house, actually. Also, I have no idea if it has sold or not.
Would you think if it sold quickly as a rsult of such a revolutionary advertising style, we would have heard about it ?
The ad was never designed to sell the house imo.
It was designed with the debate like this thread in mind, media attention like the ACA publicity and for us to remember the agents. Who were they again?
It was designed with the debate like this thread in mind, media attention like the ACA publicity and for us to remember the agents. Who were they again?
The ad was never designed to sell the house imo.
It was designed with the debate like this thread in mind, media attention like the ACA publicity and for us to remember the agents. Who were they again?
So that makes it errr... 1) unsucessful and 2) pointless
Bravo !
. ..............Who were they again?
The two Ronnies, albeit a little bit smoooooother and polished.
