I cannot find tenants! Help please

You might like to try increasing the lump sum payment to the PM for the next lease by $200 or more

Crest, whilst I understand (I think) that you are trying to energise the PM to rent your property, are you saying the $200 for example, should be paid directly to the PM? Would have through any money/commission earned by the renting of the property would be legally the agency's, to whom the PM works for.

Even if this had the desired effect of getting the PM to focus on Marina's property, aren't you then potentially having the PM trying to get any tenant, rather then the right one for the property?

Crest, have you taken this approach before?
 
Hi to all the wonderful people who have given advice,

So far no news as it has been a long long weekend, but I did speak to
the P.M. and have dropped the rent to $400 per week.

As far as 4 bedroom homes go there is not much competition and it is just
a matter of time before I get a hit.

I will get a cleaner in once a month as part of the deal ( I have changed my
mind I will not do the cleaning myself). It will cost $50 per month tax- deductible and it will give me peace of mind that the house will be in tip-top condition at the end of 12 months.

In this instance I am catering for the upper rental market and it is a different ballgame to catering for the medium market. I understand It will take longer
and that is part of the game.

As my husband goes, you cannot force or bribe someone to lease out the
property.
The property will sell itself eventually. The upper rental market is always the
most difficult, but the rewards long term are far greater - capital growth wise.

I am not one to rest on my laurels, so I am doing everything in my power to
make sure I am being pro- active in this.

The Sign will go up sometime this week, revised advertising on 3 major web sites.I will also give the house to local realestate agents, as I have not signed an exclusive.

Cannot wait to post some good news.

Kindest regards
Marina.
 
Marina,

The top section of the rental market does not offer consistently higher capital returns in the long run.

In my experience you get better CG by % growth a little lower down the chain. The top is more volatile & harder to rent. During hard times people downgrade their rentals, leading to more vacanies at the top end (and price falls) and during good times property closer to median gains rental increases from people who can't squeeze into the top end.

Something you may want to think about in future purchases.

Cheers,

Aceyducey
 
Hi Marina

Have you considered contacting local companies such as Jetstar that may need to house executives locally? You might want to ask by what means they source those properties.

Do any of the agents you are speaking to specialise in executive leasing?

One of the issues might be that you are leasing a family home and many families want to settle into a new home before the school year starts. If local PM's confirm this you may want to set up your end of lease date so that it ties in with the peak rental period next time around.

Best of luck!
 
Hi Buzzlightyear
In answer to your question :
Pardon me if I insult your intelligence here for a moment in going through the obvious to reach a point.
The PM is obligated to look after 3 entity's best interests, PO, REA licencee, and his own ( let's say it's a male PM, I was ). He also has a duty of care to tenants. The PM's continued employment will, in most cases, depend on his financial results, as is quite normal in business these days. There may be situations which arise from natural causes in which the PM can influence the financial outcome for the benefit of the REA. E.g. prospective tenant is looking at 2 similar properties, both $400 pw. One is a first time rental for the REA, commission $400 (first week's rent), new PO impatient, PM trying to live up to promises or representations made to PO to sign up the management. REA wants more properties on the rent roll, doesn't want to lose any. REA spent $1500 on a PM mailout last month to get more managements and is looking for results. PM won't want that property to sit vacant for long in case he loses the new management. After all, there's no track record or goodwill with the new PO to fall back on. Early results are vital.
The other property is a re-let - commission $200 ( 1/2 week's rent).
The market is a bit quiet, not many rental enquiries.
The PM would understandably favour the higher return property and try to persuade the prospective tenant to take that one. Why not, for the tenant, they're similar.

Other times, differences in the commission of a rental property will occur because a PO has more than one property under management and has negotiated a lower rate, applicable to either % of rent or $ per re-let.
And with some touchy PO's, if one of the properties is vacant too long, they will blame the PM and REA and move their entire portfolio to another Agency. They apply pressure in order to get priority.
"Unfair" ? "Unjust " ? Moral decisions vs business or expediency as they say.?
These are typical scenarios and PM's are subject to many pressures, sometimes between a rock and a hard place. There are no easy answers sometimes.

My suggestion to add $200 extra commission to the property is intended as extra $$'s commission for the REA, PM is always handling OPM.

The PM should always be careful in tenant selection, it is vital. No excuses for shoving a dubious tenant into a property.

Have I done this - yes, been there done this.

Hope you all find good tenants, good PM's, and do as well as you deserve.
cheers
crest133
 
Hi Crest

Off topic BUT


You said ...............

Just like Mortgage Brokers favouring finance packages which pay higher commissions. Don't tell me they favour the ones which pay the least, oooohh perrrlease. So there's answer to your question, that's what they do for the money, apply their skill for a fast result.

I can see how you can have this view.

It is however not true of the vast majority of brokers otherwise most broker loans would be written through Bluestone, Liberty, and various Mortgage Managers that operate variable commission systems.

ta
rolf
 
Rolf,

I'm not supporting, or otherwise, Crest's suggested approach but if brokers aren't influenced by variable commission systems - why would these Mortgage Mangers have them? Presumably enough brokers are influenced to make it worth their while?

Marina,

*Down* to $400pw for a house in Werribee? Must be a beauty!

Cheers.
 
Smethem said:
Rolf,


*Down* to $400pw for a house in Werribee? Must be a beauty!

Cheers.

Hi Everybody,

It is not Werribee. Totally different area. It is like comparing Williamstown to Footscray, both very close to each other but so different.

Mrs Bird :)
 
Hi Marina

Reasonable argument

It is that the same commercial reality we have been discussing comes into play................there arent just other broker groups that are competition, but the lenders direct.

Show me one long term succesful broker or group that operates a referral business with a focus on what pays best, it doesnt work, it goes against the basic laws of business.

ta

rolf
 
Hi to all,

Like Mrs Bird has said, Sanctuary lakes is not Werribee at all.

A house sold mid last year for over the million dollar mark on the boulevard. Tis Definitely not werribee.!

For any one interested, the website is, www. sanctuarylakes. com.au

I have gone outside the medium rental market to chase the higher capital gains and I am pretty pleased with the results so far.
In both houses that we have built we have had excellent growth. The growth
has been such that I was able to upstamp the mortgage for the increased equity on completion of the buildings
This means both homes are at a safe LVR (well below 80% )and my deposits have been reimbursed. They are now 100% financed by the bank, and the most important thing for me is I have my working capital back for other projects.

However I will not be doing any more of the higher priced properties. 2 is enough. This was one of our goals and am happy to say is now a completed goal.

Will let you all know as soon as good news comes to hand.

Thanks for the help
Kindest regards
Marina.
 
Hi to all,

Well, finally good news has come to hand and one of the properties has been leased out at 400p.w. for a 12 month lease. Now one more to go.

I cannot type much as I caught my hand in the garage roller door as the remote control was not working. Long story, but all is o.k. now, but typing fingers are sore.

Kind regards
Marina.
 
Sim said:
In fact, here's a formula to help you do exactly that...

D = amount (dollars per week) we think we would have to discount rent by to get a tenant (compare your asking rent to those of similar properties nearby ... D should be the difference in price between your asking and the lowest price elsewhere)

W = number of weeks vacant (either how long it has already been vacant, or the total length of time you think you will need to keep advertising for before you get a tenant at your current asking rent)

R = your current asking rent (dollars per week)

The formula is:

(52*D/R) - W < 0

... or in other words ... when the formula on the left evaluates to a number less than zero, then you would have been (or will be) better off dropping your rent by $D per week.

For example, with a property renting for $300 per week, a discount of $20 per week or face 3 weeks of vacancy, formula evaluates to (52*20/300)-3 = 0.46 which is greater than zero, so better off waiting for three weeks to get our $300 per week ! Simply put... 3 weeks @ $300 loss through vacancy = $900 lost ... 52 weeks @ $20 per week discount = $1040 ... costs more to drop the rent.

But look at what happens if you have to wait for a fourth week! Formula evaluates to: (52*20/300)-4 = -0.53 ... meaning that we would have been better off dropping our rent by the $20 than waiting for 4 weeks for our higher rent.

Of course, there are many more variables than this - but I think it serves to illustrate how the concept works ... there is a point at which enduring extended vacancy costs far more than accepting a decrease in rent.

Another example: let's take a nice round figure of $260 a week.

$5 a week discount versus 1 week vacancy - no difference
$10 a week discount = equivalent to 2 weeks vacancy
$15 a week = 3 weeks vacancy
$20 a week = 4 weeks ... etc etc etc

Sim,
You've impressed the sh ite out of me!

I have a sort of formula too and it works something like this:
When speaking to the PM, I say these words........

.."What sort of dollars is gonna get me a tenant within a week?"

Now the PM knows how to interpret my formula and she knows that when I say the word "week" ,
it really means a period of between 1 day and 3 weeks.
She has deduced this from previous phone conversations we have had, when she's asked me to come to the office and I have replied that
"I'll be there in about 15-20 minutes"
and I actually get there 3 hours later or sometimes maybe even the next day.

Anyway...moving on....She usually replies with one of the following

a) Look the rent is fine, there's just no takers at the moment.

b) The rent is ok but the place could really do with:
(one of the following)
*new carpet in the lounge
*a new stove
*the kitchen and bathroom repainted
*the garden being spruced up
*etc etc etc.

c) There's a lot up for rent at the moment, maybe we could drop by $x a week

d) I've had a couple of people look at it and I'm waiting for an application to come in

e) I took an application yesterday and I'm just checking them out

f) The place is an absolute dump, I wouldn't let my worst enemy stay there, how dare you call yourself a responsible landlord, offering a piece of sh ite like that and expecting me to find you tenants, you would have to pay someone to even consider living there.

If the answer is either a, d or e of the above, I do nothing and wait.

If the answer is b, I usually take her advice and do the task

If the answer is c, I ask for some comparison properties and I do a drive by just to make sure before dropping the rent (I have on occasion got out of the car and peered through windows - only on vacant places but)

If the answer is f, and it aint happened yet, but should it happen
(future planning to be on the safe side),

I think I'd do one or all of the following:

a) Take a contract out on the PM
b) Arrange for the PM to wake up next to a Horse's Head
c) Have the PM kidnapped, tortured & beaten until she apologises
d) Realise that I have got it all wrong, give everything away and go and live out my days in a Buddihst Monestary.

BTW..Good News Marina, hope the other is leased real soon for you

regards
 
Jakk said:
f) The place is an absolute dump, I wouldn't let my worst enemy stay there, how dare you call yourself a responsible landlord, offering a piece of sh ite like that and expecting me to find you tenants, you would have to pay someone to even consider living there.

......

If the answer is f, and it aint happened yet, but should it happen
(future planning to be on the safe side),

What self-respecting slumlord doesn't keep ALL their properties in category f?

You need to pull up your socks Jakk or you'll lose your title!

Cheers,

Aceyducey

:D
 
Aceyducey said:
What self-respecting slumlord doesn't keep ALL their properties in category f?

You need to pull up your socks Jakk or you'll lose your title!

Cheers,

Aceyducey

:D

Thanks for picking me up on that Acey, I'm off to breed some more rats in order to ensure that I remain true to my title.


Macca said:
I can just imagine


Jakk
the soft and fuzzy, aesthetically pleasing, soft touch landlord


:D :D :D :D :D

Thats it you got it Macca,

JAKK SNAS
(Sensitive New Age Slumlord)



geoffw said:
And he should Jakk up the rent as well!

Still in top form and on a roll I see Geoffrey,
or is that a Footlong?

regards
 
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