Independant PM's

I read N.Jenman's book 'Don't sign Anything' where he says that Real Estate Agencies that offer PM services do so as they have another motive; to ultimately be able to sell the property.

Does anyone feel that independant PM's would offer better service and are there any out there? I can see many threads from investors looking for good quality PM's and am wondering personally if it is something that I may look into as a future career option.

I would love to hear from any people already offering a similar service in their area.
 
I read N.Jenman's book 'Don't sign Anything' where he says that Real Estate Agencies that offer PM services do so as they have another motive; to ultimately be able to sell the property.

Does anyone feel that independant PM's would offer better service and are there any out there? I can see many threads from investors looking for good quality PM's and am wondering personally if it is something that I may look into as a future career option.

I would love to hear from any people already offering a similar service in their area.

Hello Julie,

Firstly - Speaking of his highness Mr J here will have the thread pulled faster than Neil can yell "Do Not Auction". Read his book but please be aware he is there to make profit like anyone and he is very good at it.

You are best with a full service agency and then it's about finding the right Property Manager and they are needles in a haystack.

Kev
www.gogecko.com.au
 
Sorry, I didn't realize his name is not allowed to be mentioned. Don't know why (and don't want to) but was interested whether there was something in the idea of some PM's just biding time until they can become REA's; just treating it like a stepping stone and not as a serious career choice. Could this explain why it is sometimes hard to find a good PM? I would be interested in knowing why you would think that the PM service affiliated with an RE agency is better.
 
Property Management is an extremely difficult and complex process. To do it properly and effectively is time consuming and therefore eats into profit and therefore most agencies cut corners, ie less inspections, larger portfolio's and inappropriate software or skills to use it. For PM's themselves the job is 24/7, very stressful and requires a very specific personality to handle the role.

It's not my experience that PM's do so temporarily before moving into sales. I have tried recruiting plenty of them to sales but they don't want to work the hours or have their primary income earnt via commissions.

Kev
www.gogecko.com.au
 
This may be a biased answer since I own a property management company, but going with a company that is primarily focused on property management and not sales is definately the way to go.

I mentioned this before but in a business meeting a couple of months ago, one of the principlals of a large franchised real estate agency (starting with P ;) ) made the following statement:

"95% of the listings in our rent roll are dogs, and the only way that we can turn them into profits for our business is to convince those landlords to sell"

That! Is the attitude of most real estate agents, property management is secondary to sales and the only reason they list properties to (missmanage) is so they can have a rent roll of vendors waiting to sell!!!

An agency who'se main focus is property management is definately the way to go!!!!
 
You're allowed to say good things ;)

There's been potential problems otherwise.

Thanks for the heads up Geoff, I wouldn't say bad things anyway (not allowed to regarding anyone I thought??) ;)

Thanks Kevin and Xenia for you posts, I must say that there certainly is a good argument for independance but whether it would ever become commonplace would be another thing I suppose.

I will definately give you a call to manage our future (soon) IP's in Adelaide Xenia; just finalizing finance/trust and research.
 
Some interesting theories mentioned here about PMs.

I agree with the one saying good ones are like needles in the haystack.
And BTW, nearly every REA says they've got one - just mention you have a property to manage.

Of course rent rolls are a holding pen for the sales dept, that's one part of the PM job and on a positive note - the more professional the PM and the Sales staff, the more in the holding pen. Good liaison between Sales Dept and PM Dept increases agency success and profitability, as opportunities to handle properties are passed in both directions. This benefits property owners too.

Good PMs are wherever you find them, independant or in a typical REA office.
And I'd say the reason they don't recruit easily into sales is because the good ones are too assertive, dictatorial and factual to a fault to make good sales staff. ;)

cheers
crest133
 
There are good and TERRIBLE PM's in both sides of the industry, its mostly about talking to a range of them and finding a good "fit" for you and your expectations.

Unfortunately there are many REA's that see their rent roll as a cash cow for the sales department - let me say this, if that is the only way they get listings, then they must be lousy agents...its true from time to time you do get listings from the rent roll as investors decide to sell - but it should not be the reason for having a rent roll. The other benefit to a good REA with a rent roll is if they are doing the job correctly and managing a sufficient number of properites, they can also use the income from that side of the business to offset office costs and staff wages (non-comm staff obviously) so that the sales team are effectively the income earners and all income is just that - with no necessary outlays. non-franchise REA's are often better with this to as there is no support from a large organisation to help them out - they need to go it alone and make it work.

PM is definately a specialised business and to find a properly trained PM is very difficult. I do not agree with Xenia that specialised is DEFINATELY the way to go as there are some really good REA's around (and some real duds), however i do see her point in that a specialist PM agency has only their properties as the source of income and they need to do the job right to stay afloat - they can't rely on sales to prop them up (though there are now a couple of PM agencies in Brisbane starting to sell properties as well).

any agent (sales or PM) that refers to the properties under their control as "dogs" - are missing the point and shouldn't be operating!!!! :mad: that "dog" is somebody's house - it may not be much, but it still belongs to someone and should be treated with the utmost respect regardless of the hassles it gives the PM - THAT"S WHAT THEY GET PAID FOR.

so good luck in finding a good PM - be it agency based or specialised there are good and bad in both.

here ends my soapbox!!:)
 
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