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Hi,

All areas have both good and bad pockets.

Here are my reasons for liking the area:
1) Public transport is good
2) close access to the western ring road - only takes me 15 minutes to get to the city (Not during peak hours).
3) Really good block sizes.
4) Prices are affordable
5) one of the last established areas in the west before you hit - House and land packaged areas such as Burnside, Caroline springs and Melton.
 
Hi JP
How is the capital growth in Deer Park, Aldeer, Sunshine west? Do you think a house or a unit closer to the station is a good buy? Also, how easy is it let? any thoughts?
 
First and foremost: Property prices are representations of supply and demand.

Vacant land means there is no shortage of possible supply.

Look at the amount of vacant land near Deer Park:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/plac...m2!3m1!1s0x6ad68ab2b3c67947:0x5045675218cd500

How could anyone expect demand to be higher than potential stock here?

Sorry to anyone that has invested here for capital growth but I think that if you're relying on the market for price growth you've made some fundamental errors in your due diligence.


Again, look into areas with lower median prices where there is a cap on supply and is increasing demand (such as wage growth, employment growth, population growth, infrastructure developments, etc.). Close to the Ballarat CBD is a much more viable option for <$400,000 than anywhere in Melbourne if you ask me.

Alternatively look down at outer suburbs that have capped supply issues or can be used for land banking and future development to improve poor capital growth projections.
 
Hi

Hi,

Funny enough, I also own a unit about 200 meters from the station.

I only bought it in November last year for $300,000, I did some cosmetic work to it and I am getting agents calling me left, right and center.

Only took me 48 hours to rent out lol
 
Investing in Deer Park.


Let me first say, I'm personally not a fan of Deer Park as an investment area but I understand that you, as an investor will come to your own conclusions and as such I'll attempt to present to you some facts and thoughts for your consideration so that you can, at the very least, make a more informed decision.

New to investment introduction:
For me and many investors, capital growth is the main prerogative for investing in real estate as it's the only aspect that compounds over time and thus is the most powerful form of wealth creation.

With growth being considered first and foremost it's important to note that it's not "land" that appreciates over time it's the peoples', or the market's perception that appreciates in any given area more (or less) over time.

Market perception is the only thing that moves prices up or down.

Supply and demand is the fundamental mechanism that turns market perception into quantifiable house prices. The more people that want a particular area/street/house/unit the more they'll have to pay to secure it.

Market perception can be manipulated too. For example interest rates are a way of controlling how affordable people perceive properties to be at that time.

When investing it's important to understand whether an area is genuinely growing due to a good market perception or if there are other factors manipulating the capital increments.

Many people now think that they've bought in a great area as their properties have grown well since 2011 when coincidentally interest rates started dropping at the same time. When rates go back up, will those areas still be desirable enough to sustain growth or will they be stunted or even go backwards?

So what does Deer Park have going for it that the market will perceive to be desirable?

First we need to understand who lives there... Who makes up that market?

Demographic
  • 45% Australian born
  • 70.4% Both parents born overseas
  • 59.7% Work Full-Time
  • 43.9% Are blue collar workers
  • 67% Drive
  • 4.5% Catch the train
  • 45.7% Have children
  • 66% Live in 3BR Houses
  • 22% Live in 4BR Houses
  • 67% Own/Buying Houses
  • $384/wk median mortgage
  • $270/wk median rent

Source: http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ce...11/quickstat/SSC20380?opendocument&navpos=220


From this we can ascertain that the majority of people here find this area desirable if they:
Have immigrated;
Are blue collared workers;
Don't need to commute into the CBD;
Want a good sized house;
Want somewhere to raise children (consider schooling, parks, children activities);


So what are the types of things that will make this area more desirable to existing residents:

Local blue collar jobs;
Good schools;
Safe environment for children;
Stable area for family;
Supermarket for family food;
Cafes/Restaurants;
Adult activities;
Good roads;
Access to services such as hospitals;
English learning services.

Also consider, what would everyone else (outsiders) want in an area?
I won't list these here as there are many things.

What does Deer Park have now to ensure that desirability stays?
One Secondary College
Four Primary Schools
Jobs at nearby factories/industrial areas (e.g. Orica)
Coles Supermarket
Restaurants/Cafes (Ballarat Rd & Brimbank)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Park,_Victoria , http://www.brimbank.vic.gov.au/Homepage_Links

What is happening to increase desirability?
Please note this is for all of Brimbank:
  • $16.9 million on road works
  • $5.28 million on sports facilities
  • $2.1 million on sustainability projects
  • $1.3 million for playgrounds, parks and gardens
  • $1.76 million on traffic management
  • $23.75 million on community facilities
  • $4.94 million for walking and cycling pathways
  • $0.89 million on town centres
  • $0.23 million for drainage rehabilitation


What is working against desirability?
  • Maximum security female prison
  • Chemical production and storage
  • Pacific/Australia/Deer-Park
  • Crime (Prisons mean prisoner's families may move close by):
  • Low population growth: 3.48% Growth from 2015 - 2045
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dame_Phyllis_Frost_Centre
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/man-found-dead-on-road-in-melbourne/5220018
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-14/fatal-crash-linked-to-discovery-of-body-in-deer-park/5965966
http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?a=internetBridgingPage&Media_ID=72178
http://www.orica.com/Locations/Asia-Pacific/Australia/Deer-Park#.VRlAPfmUeVo


What else will effect future house prices?
Zoning and planning
Land Supply
Housing Supply: http://profile.id.com.au/brimbank/building-approvals / http://forecast.id.com.au/brimbank/residential-development
Job creation
Infrastructure & development: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...-melbournes-west/story-fngnvmj7-1226928478665


GROWTH SUMMARY
If future projects go ahead there may be a glimmer of hope for great growth in Deer Park. There's been talk of an electric rail line but the area is such a safe labour seat it's unlikely that will move forward. Also gentrification of industrial areas is being considered but this won't be ratified until ~2017.

Currently there are no major projects, population growths or substantial increments in accessibility and lifestyle amenities to move this suburb from a cheaper working class family area into a suburb in which the whole market finds desirable.

The suburb faces socio-economic and language barrier challenges, also higher murder and rape crime rate problems which will repulse the single female market. (Compared with Melbourne's highest single female population areas). Council is working on this problem with community facilities.

There is lack of transport into the city which will deter younger people who wish to have nights out and also CBD commuters (although the V-Line does run regularly http://ptv.vic.gov.au/timetables/linemain/1728).

The council is actively trying to make the area more appealing for children so there may be more scope for young families who want to own a house rather than renting. This area will not attract people who desire private schooling however (1.2% currently attend private institutions).

There is scope for gentrification and subdivision to occur in three GRZ3 areas which may increase nearby RZ1 area house prices: http://services.land.vic.gov.au/maps/pmo.jsp
Housing approvals in Deer Park however are not as exciting as Sunshine and Sunshine West (both of which are better for renovate/development investors).

There are high risks to capital growth in Deer Park. These risks are mainly the huge amounts of available land available for developement in neighbouring Derrimut and Ravenhall which could easily over saturate the stock levels of residential real estate as the population growth is not growing aggressively.

In summary this area would be expected to perform worse to equal with Greater Melbourne in the range of 1-3% for units and 1-4% for houses over the next 5 - 8 years.



What to buy
If you want to purchase in Deer Park buy what the majority of the market wants to live in as a home. In Deer Park that primary market desires 3 bedroom houses.

  • 90.4% (4,845) of properties in Deer Park are detached houses;
  • 6.1 % (325) are units.


If you're considering buying a unit here, stop. Think about this:

When it comes to resale time you only have a niche or minority of the local population that would consider purchasing a unit as a home. Having a large pool of potential home buyers is key in attracting future emotional results during the sales cycle for extra profit.

Also, only 14 unit transactions occurred over the last 12 months
(source: http://house.ksou.cn/profile.php?sta=vic&q=Deer Park)
This means a unit in Deer Park is more illiquid real stock than in other areas like St Kilda where units are traded regularly.

Source Investopedia: "The state of a security or other asset that cannot easily be sold or exchanged for cash without a substantial loss in value. Illiquid assets also cannot be sold quickly because of a lack of ready and willing investors or speculators to purchase the asset. The lack of ready buyers also leads to larger discrepancies between the asking price (from the seller) and the bidding price (from a buyer) than would be found in an orderly market with daily trading activity."

In short, it is more likely to be difficult to sell that unit quickly or to have an outstanding recent comparable sale to get a good bank valuation from in the future.

TLDR; (Too long didn't read); If you're certain you want to invest in Deer Park only buy a 3 Bedroom house.


Look for a decent brick house (again 3BR) on the North Deer Park side near Coles and North Deer Park Primary. Make sure it's in the Residential Zone 1 planning scheme. Good example streets to consider are: Amelia Ave and Ambon Ave.

The train station at this point in time is irrelevant as only a minority commutes.


I hope this helps anyone considering this area.
 
Interesting to read diff schools of thought.

While I appreciate Jake's analysis, my only point is whether a buyer with $400-$450k budget has much choice?

With such a budget, one has to look at the areas such as Deer park for houses or areas such as Gelnroy etc., for units. What other choice one would have, if the objective is to have a CG over a period 10-15 years?
 
Jake's analysis has raised some key figures and the major one for me is POPULATION growth VS available land.

There is an over supply of housing in the West and North, along with A LOT of land ready for development as you can see the pink areas in the link.

http://www.mpa.vic.gov.au/wp-content/Assets/Files/Map of Urban Growth Zone - September 2012.jpg

Have a look through the MPA website there is some really good reading in there. For me, going off the projected population growth compared to the available land, the South East pocket is definitely more attractive, especially at that price point.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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I should also mention, that the map is the Urban Growth Zone boundary. It shows the areas which the Government want to fill in, which is another thing to look at, Government level infrastructure along with other budgeted and un-budgeted infrastructure.
 
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