Missing Malaysia airline.
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Not necessarily terrorism or hijack, majority of experts are saying it was most likely a major malfunction.
Not sure on this. Service history of the missing plane:
14 MAY 2002 9M-MRO Boeing first flight
31 MAY 2002 9M-MRO Malaysia Airlines delivered
09 AUG 2012 9M-MRO Malaysia Airlines contaced the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 (B-6050) at Shanghai-Pudong International Airport, China. Wing tip of B777 severed.
The crash where 2 people were killed as a United airliner which miss-judged the runway. One of the people killed was driven over by an emergency vehicle.
I believe Chrispy's talking about the plan itself, not the model. It had a recent collision which caused damage to it's tail. Shoddy repairs is a theory at the moment.
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I am sure it is a safe model ...I am just reporting what was on the News about this particular plane...they had the model number, the actual number of the plane and the video of the crash where 2 people died. Then they reported that it had been involved in two accidents previously, the one where it crash landed and a previous one.
Its not to say its the model, it could have been pilot error.
The question that was being raised was whether this particular plane had a problem
Chris
I am sure it is a safe model ...I am just reporting what was on the News about this particular plane...they had the model number, the actual number of the plane and the video of the crash where 2 people died. Then they reported that it had been involved in two accidents previously, the one where it crash landed and a previous one.
Its not to say its the model, it could have been pilot error.
The question that was being raised was whether this particular plane had a problem
Chris
Same plane has only been in another incident which was a minor wingtip damaged & repaired by boeing.
3 Likely things that happened.
1. Crew suicide like on egyptair.
2. Total failure of electricals stopping the transponder but they kept flying and crashing in a complete different place.
3. Terrorism/ Doubt it and all the idiots linking 2 fake passports on board as the terrorists...a terrorist doesn't need a fake passport to make the chances bigger getting caught.
Finally it's 2014 what happened to all these new technology finding things? In 9/11 they found the passports of the terrorists from the twin towers and can't find a trace from a 777 its a large jet not some cessna.
3 Likely things that happened.
1. Crew suicide like on egyptair.
2. Total failure of electricals stopping the transponder but they kept flying and crashing in a complete different place.
3. Terrorism/ Doubt it and all the idiots linking 2 fake passports on board as the terrorists...a terrorist doesn't need a fake passport to make the chances bigger getting caught.
Finally it's 2014 what happened to all these new technology finding things? In 9/11 they found the passports of the terrorists from the twin towers and can't find a trace from a 777 its a large jet not some cessna.
Qantas pilot on the radio this morning saying it's a myth that planes are constantly transmitting to airports or a home base. Airports only know where a plan is when it's in its airspace, majority of the time planes are out there flying and nobody has a clue where they are. Thought that was quite interesting.
Aren't they far more likely to get caught with genuine passports if they are part of a terrorist organization?
It does, and the fake passport people would be the bad guys.
Either way, I don't think there will any sci-fi happening here or any good news. Sad for the families.
Not all terrorists are on the watchlist, or better yet one could be recruited and given a mission to complete making it less likely for fbi,cia or interpol knowing about them. So makes using a genuine passport no bigger risk just take a look at 9/11.
I have thought about one other possible thing that could have happened, plane has no communication to report back anything but is able to keep flying, it goes down intact and sinks to the bottom that is why no wreckage, but i would put this slim because it was a night flight chances of a pilot doing this on water are slim but you never know.
They really should check what it was carrying in its cargo and release the manifest.
I also believe the govt knows more by defence radars etc, the fact that the search has now gone to the complete opposite direction of last known location is weird, either they know something or they really have no idea.
Aeroplanes are superbly built, and amazingly safe. And that make and model is at the top of the tree in terms of safety. It would take an extremely unusual event to cause it to fall out of the sky.
A small part of me hopes that the plane was hijacked, flown under the radar to an undisclosed location, and everyone on board is safe and well waiting for the ransom to be quietly paid.
But it's a long shot.
A small part of me hopes that the plane was hijacked, flown under the radar to an undisclosed location, and everyone on board is safe and well waiting for the ransom to be quietly paid.
But it's a long shot.
Probably safer if you know for certain your real name will not be on any intelligence database.
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The reason this hasn't been done is the bandwidth required over satellite comms will be intense. Imagine the amount of planes flying in the sky at any one moment, all transmitting big chunks of data through a few satellites.
I'd say that it would be tiny chunks of data every ~60 secs - just need a Timestamp, unique Plane Id, and a GPS location - maybe 32 bytes.
D One - thats what I heard as well.
I would have thought the black box would have started sending out a signal by now?
Maybe the plane was accidently shot down by the military?
I could just picture some dude on a ship below mucking around with a missile, locking in on the plane and telling his mates "hey fellas look at me" , "ooohhh shat no!", "it wasn't me".
Very strange for no distress signal so it's either rapid decompression, bomb or pilot suicide. The 777 is one of the safest modern airframes and has been in service since the mid 90s. It has only been in 3 accidents. Two involved a faulty oil heat exchange design in the engines and the most recent was the crash at SFO last year which killed 3 and was likely pilot error. The pilot on this flight has been with the airlines since 1981. 18,365 flying hours. Clearly a flying enthusiast. He went by the username 'zaharie' on http://x-sim.de forums. Here's a post from him detailing his simulator setup.
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I think the 2 passports thing is just a story they're playing with because there's nothing else. Dodgy papers on flights is apparently very common. Interpol has 35-40 million registered lost/stolen travel docs but hardly anyone uses the database.
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I think the 2 passports thing is just a story they're playing with because there's nothing else. Dodgy papers on flights is apparently very common. Interpol has 35-40 million registered lost/stolen travel docs but hardly anyone uses the database.
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How can it be tiny chunks of data, when you need audio recordings, positional data, critical systems information.
Assuming decent audio quality, 96kb/s. In 60seconds, that is 5.6mb of data. That is just the audio alone.
Assuming there are 60 planes connected to the same satellite, then you would require a minimum of 5.6mb/s throughput through your connection technology. Standard Ethernet of 100Mb/is only 12Mb/s. This calculation doesn't even take into account data collision which is more likely over a wireless connection. Therefore, your connection speed between the airplane and the satellite needs to be at least 50Mb/s if not more. You can see this requirement growing exponentially with more information to be sent or more airplanes in the sky.
I would imagine the transmission rate will need to be more frequent than that. A lot can happen in 1 minute.
That tiny chunk of data would be enough to give the last known location (within maybe 10 sq km area). That's sufficient to know where to start looking for the black box which contains the MBs of data.
They currently have 1000s of sq km to search.
I live out in the boondocks, and I can get high definition porn, just like everyone else. Ya can't tell me that a few hundred jet airliners can't transmit some cabin data these days without overloading the whole shebang?
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