Thanks Ozperp/Josko for reminding me of a relevant quote:
Nice quote Ian!
Regards JO
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Thanks Ozperp/Josko for reminding me of a relevant quote:
The single garage has been partitioned to cram another 2 students in.
There's obviously a demand for their supply, so imho that's a beautiful thing. And I think most students who get into these places actually want to be there and would be really annoyed if the gummit authorities got them kicked out.
but she is not in china, she is in Australia and she is living with an australian so she can't just expect me to accept that she is bringing her culture here so just deal with it
I have lived in a share house with 3 other people and every single person would invite whoever they wanted around whenever they felt like.
I think you will find Australians are clearly very different in what they will "put up with".
I'm not a fan of people sticking their noses in others business, but you shouldn't be made to feel bad for reporting people for potentially ripping off members of the community because they have poor knowledge of how to look after themselves.
Is it also a beautiful thing when these same students get jobs off the books at some dodgy restaurant and get paid $8 an hr?
Yes. It's great. A win/win situation. Exchanging labour for money.
Not when they should be paying them closer to $15-20 an hour...
We have a set of laws in this country.
Do you think that if someone agrees to something its all good, its just win/win
There's demand for plenty of things in this world, doesn't mean its a beautiful thing for someone to provide it.
You don't know if these kids are being exploited because of a lack of ability to function correctly in our society, is it also a beautiful thing when these same students get jobs off the books at some dodgy restaurant and get paid $8 an hr?
Or at least no place in Australia. That's why so much labour-intensive industry has been lost to other countries, like China, Vietnam, and Korea.We have a set of laws in this country that basically says if your can't run your business by employing people at a certain wage, declaring it, paying any penalty rates etc, then you have no place being in business.
If the alternative is not working at all, because no one is willing to employ them for more than that, then yes, it's good. If I was that person and needed money, I'd willingly take $5 an hour over no job any day.So is it good if they work for $5 an hour and some leftover food?
If I was that person and needed money, I'd willingly take $5 an hour over no job any day.
In a nutshell, yes. As long as both parties agree and neither is forced, then it's win/win, and the 'laws' (in this case award wages) should butt out.
I agree with your sentiment, ianvestor, as I'm very pro-market forces and pro-small government, but what's your proposed mechanism for ensuring the bolded part above, in the absence of an award?Yeah, and I think the point is, you'd like to have a choice, whereas stupid laws like award wages take away that choice.
What's your proposed mechanism for ensuring the bolded part above, in the absence of an award?
OK, I think your definition of "force" is a little more extreme than mine.How about the absence of a ball-and-chain? The absense of actually kid-napping the employee and locking them in at work so you can pay them their $5/hour?
I mean, if he shows up of his own accord and says "I'm here, I'd like to work for my $5/hour now", I don't see why anyone or any law should stop him.
And sure, why not declare it and pay tax. I doubt he'd actually have to pay much tax if any anyway.
I think that would depend on the quality of the work the mentally-challenged person was able to do. Like everyone else, if the person can expect more than is being offered given their abilities, then they're free to go elsewhere.If their co-workers get paid, say, $15 per hour, but the manager sees that this person has some mental challenges and they can get away with paying him only $5 per hour, would you consider that reasonable?
OK, I think your definition of "force" is a little more extreme than mine.
However, if the person is so mentally challenged that they don't even understand what's happening, yet their services are still of value, then a guardian should help negotiate things like this on their behalf.
Agreed! So when do we take over Australia's industrial relations?Yeah, to be honest I think the word is a little over-used in the lighter context. Good reply GP.
Agreed! So when do we take over Australia's industrial relations?