New place for Girls to talk Reno

I wonder if the first 'Failed Reno' post on the message board of the new 'All Girls' site is from a 'male in disguise'.:D

Oh well.

I'm with Redwing.........This site is non discriminatory, and there seems to be a good % of telented lasses on here, so wouldn't like to see any migrate over.

All I can say is, the bigger the network on one site, the better.

Cheers,

F
 
Well, I'm a girl (I think) and I can't be bothered going to some obscure little forum to post about reno's.

I like it here. Males & females alike can not only post about reno's, but anything else as well.
 
I don't really get why you need a women-only forum on renovations. Breastfeeding, pregnancy, breast cancer, etc - it makes sense to have a special forum for all of these, which by their nature would be predominantly women, and I can see that many women would feel more comfortable discussing these issues with other women.

But I'm with skater, when it comes to anything to do with property investing or renovating, I'd rather ask right here!

BayView, I do think some women take advantage of their "special status as a formerly disadvantaged group" to do things that men would never get away with.

I think the men's-only exclusive clubs, for example, are offensive. I would never want to join one anyway, but the idea that their enjoyment of their club would somehow be ruined if they happened to see a - gasp! :eek: - woman in their midst, is ridiculous, anachronistic, and objectionable.

I also don't get the concept of women-only gyms, diet clubs, etc. If you're that paranoid about any man seeing you working out, then I think it'd be more productive to seek counselling for your excessive concern about the opinions of others, than to seek out a women-only gym.

I don't agree that the focus on breast cancer research etc is sexist. It may be that breast cancer does get a lot more press than comparable men's issues, but that's because women have worked so hard to gain publicity for this cause. Men could, and should, do likewise for men's issues, and I applaud Movember and similar initiatives. (And support them with donations.)
 
but the idea that their enjoyment of their club would somehow be ruined if they happened to see a - gasp! :eek: - woman in their midst, is ridiculous, anachronistic, and objectionable.

i haven't been bothered going over to the other site as too much of my own renovating to do ... and some questions i need to ask here later ... but i don't have a problem with "men only clubs".

blokes socialise differently than women and i think it's great if they have their own place to meet other blokes and network in their own "grunting" manner.

women tend to meet up with their girlfriends over lunch/coffee/over the phone and chat away (a friend and i talked for over 2 hours the other day mainly on real estate, life purpose and personal development) - but most blokes don't seem to be able to do such - and we network in a similar manner.

i think the "men's shed" is a fantastic idea and i try to send hubby and his dad off to do some fishing together as much as possible (his dad is getting rather old) so that they can sit for hours in companionable silence - whereas, as a female, more than 30 minutes of silence would drive me nuts.

but i do get cranky when "women's only" clubs and gyms are springing up at the same time that some women are trying to tear down the "men's only". imagine the uproar if there was a "men's only" gym set up!
 
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I think the men's-only exclusive clubs, for example, are offensive. I would never want to join one anyway, but the idea that their enjoyment of their club would somehow be ruined if they happened to see a - gasp! :eek: - woman in their midst, is ridiculous, anachronistic, and objectionable.

I also don't get the concept of women-only gyms, diet clubs, etc. If you're that paranoid about any man seeing you working out, then I think it'd be more productive to seek counselling for your excessive concern about the opinions of others, than to seek out a women-only gym.


Isn't that what pubs used to be years ago with their "ladies lounge". I remember when I was quite young and being on the way somewhere with my parents, stopped for lunch , and was ushered into a dingy room (with mum) with a little hatch for the ladies to get their drinks whilst my father got a drink somewhere else.;)

Women only gyms tend are for women who are too intimidated to go to a normal gym. They were probably a good idea years ago when gyms were really blokey but most gyms now are really nice and a women doing weights now doesn't even raise a look (used to be different a while back though). Perhaps they appeal to women from cultures that like to seperate men and women. We may be seeing more of them as Australia becomes more multicultural?:confused:
 
blokes socialise differently than women
Agreed, but I don't see why some men socialising together would be completely ruined by a woman in the vicinity. Just as when I go to a coffee shop with a group of girlfriends, I don't feel my experience is ruined if there are men sitting at another table. I have no problem with groups of men or women participating in male or female bonding, but I object to the idea that this necessarily requires vehement exclusion of the "other".
lizzie said:
but i do get cranky when "women's only" clubs and gyms are springing up at the same time that some women are trying to tear down the "men's only". imagine the uproar if there was a "men's only" gym set up!
Yes, hypocrisy is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
They were probably a good idea years ago when gyms were really blokey but most gyms now are really nice and a women doing weights now doesn't even raise a look (used to be different a while back though).
Agreed, like many gender-segregated organisations, they're a bit anachronistic now.
 
the weld club here in perth, for example, is men only.

and it is so for a reason - because it was made so, at foundation nearly 150 years ago.

which is cool. the rules should apply to it from 150 years ago.

a NEW mens only club would be sexist though, because we have NEW anti-discrimination laws. much the same as NEW women's gyms and NEW women's diet clubs should be outlawed based on NEW anti-discrimination laws.

all it does if further marginalise an already marginalised society.

if there was a 150 year old womens' club, like.....i dunno, the CWA - then that's cool too. it's an older society therefore the older rules should apply.

you can't retrospectivelyplace new laws over old foundations.

that would open up all kinds of awful doors for precedent.
 
Boost, there's already a perfectly good reno forum right here:

http://www.somersoft.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

And, on the side topic, why would any bloke want to go to a blokes only gym? Half the reason we go to the gym in the first place is for the eye candy. Mind you, I wouldn't complain if my local gym was a bit more bloke oriented. Far too much space allocated to those stupid treadmills and exercise bikes. If you want to run or ride, GO OUTSIDE! My gym would be a heap more useful if they doubled or tripled the size of the free weights area. Seems gyms nowadays are less about pumping iron and more about group dancing mascquerading as exercise or jogging/riding on the spot. What's the world come to...

Cheers,
Michael
 
Boost juice and First Home Owners Boost.

Sorry I don't renovate only build new and I have a hubby and he occasionally helps me with our IP's.


Sheryn
 
you can't retrospectivelyplace new laws over old foundations.

that would open up all kinds of awful doors for precedent.
Have to disagree with you on this one, BC; I think that some traditions are worthy of killing off, and that allowing morally repugnant practises on the basis of "tradition" is the dangerous precedent.

The Spanish Inquisition developed a strong tradition, too, and wasn't illegal at the time it operated. Apartheid was law in South Africa for a long time. Only landowners got the vote in the UK for centuries. And there are a million other examples of "legal traditions" that are now illegal, and rightly so.

Then there are practises which are ongoing, even though much of the world considers them abhorrent, which are defended on the basis of "tradition". I'm thinking of female genital mutilation in Somalia, honour killings, 5 year olds put to work, and many other practises. Should they be allowed to continue legally because they're tradition, and weren't illegal when the tradition arose?

I know these are extreme examples, and I'm not remotely suggesting they're comparable in magnitude to the gender-segregated clubs we were talking about, but the point is that just because a tradition is lawfully established, doesn't mean that it should be lawful for it to continue. :)
 
a NEW mens only club would be sexist though, because we have NEW anti-discrimination laws. much the same as NEW women's gyms and NEW women's diet clubs should be outlawed based on NEW anti-discrimination laws.

But people don't get it.

I love women, but there are times when I just want to be with the boys, have a few sherbets and talk boy stuff.

I don't want the girls around right then. I want wood grained wall panels, pictures of sports stars, girls, cars on them, a big plasma screen with 24 hour sport etc and a bar. Preferably combined into a 50 foot luxury cruiser so you can go outside and throw a line in now and again.

Some guys like big leather chairs, waiters in penguin suits, brandy and cigars while reading the financial review and talking investing with the boys. Others just want a round of golf and few 19th hole brews and lots of swearing and telling lies. Great fun, and harmless. I love my wednesday afternoon golf with the boys. Three course lunch and a few wines/beers before tee-off, then a well lubricated 4.5 hours of male-ness and sculduggery.

It's merely an escape from the normal day to day for a few hours.

I'm sure the girls are the same, so let everyone just do that. Have your girls' only gyms or whatever; I'm sure they don't want ugly, sweaty fat hairy men leering at them while they stretch and strain - and we'll have our Men's only Clubs.

When we're all finished, we all go home to our families and live normal lives.

Note to world; Get over yourselves.
 
But people don't get it.

I love women, but there are times when I just want to be with the boys, have a few sherbets and talk boy stuff.
(My emphasis added)

Sorry, BV, but I think you're not getting it, and you need to get over yourself! :p

If you want to go to a mate's house and have a blokey experience, fill your boots!

But when you have a club - even a "private" club - if you invite members of the public to participate, then you have to comply with society's anti-discrimination laws.

I might want to never be near a tall person, or a blonde person, or somebody not wearing deodorant, or people earning less than $40K pa, or people from the northern hemisphere, but guess what? It's not all about me.
 
i am trying to teach my 8yo daughter, she can do annything she wants, it does'nt matter if you are a boy or a girl, i give her the choice to allow her to break the gap beetween the old girls can't do that routine, trying to set an example, so she has the courage to mix it with boy builders and girl builders,if she chooses to, and then a site like that comes up???? should i start explaining to her that , sorry sweets you need to go to a girl only club/site, ??? because your a girl, ???
each to their own , but i think the site sets a poor example to girls and is yet another one way street on sexist descrimination,
 
I know of and have been to the Weld in Perth and loved their snooker room. All cigar smoke, brandy snifters and peanut shells. Whilst I do agree that we are a lot more equal now than what we used to be and rightly so, this club as well as the Ladies only Karakatta Club for womans have been under presure to open their doors to the great unwashed, they have hung in thus far.

On the subject of women only clubs, there are quite a number around the place check these out.

Personally I think it is a moot point and subscribe to the live and let live credo.:)

It certainly will not get me all het up.:D

Cheers.

Chris.
 
(My emphasis added)

Sorry, BV, but I think you're not getting it, and you need to get over yourself! :p

If you want to go to a mate's house and have a blokey experience, fill your boots!

But when you have a club - even a "private" club - if you invite members of the public to participate, then you have to comply with society's anti-discrimination laws.

I might want to never be near a tall person, or a blonde person, or somebody not wearing deodorant, or people earning less than $40K pa, or people from the northern hemisphere, but guess what? It's not all about me.

Oz, you've bot me wrong here. I was talking about all people, but using myself as the example.

I actually don't care about private clubs of any sort - good luck to them.

The anti-discrimination laws in regards to this matter are total load of BS in my opinion, and abused by both sexes.
 
Oz, you've bot me wrong here. I was talking about all people, but using myself as the example.
Yeah, I know, and I don't really think that you are self-centred. I was picking up on your example and extending it. :) My point is that men who defend their gender-segregated clubs by saying "I don't want women around", are expressing a view that they may be entitled to, but which isn't defensible under law.

People confuse their right to do certain things (which often exists), with their right to insist that others don't do things (which rarely exists; illegal behaviour being an obvious exception, eg right not to be assaulted etc).

Going to a club, getting a certain job, having your relationship recognised, having access to medical procedures - they're all rights that you should fight for if you're being denied, and be entitled to have the backing of the law. Stopping other people from going to clubs, stopping other people from being in certain relationships (eg opponents of gay marriage), stopping other people from engaging in certain jobs, or trying to stop others gaining medical procedures - none of those are rights, they're just expressions of one's own prejudices.

Most people have prejudices to at least some degree. But that doesn't mean that we're entitled to expect the legal system to enforce our prejudices and impose them on others.

Let me say - since we've focused on private clubs - that I do think that women trying to gain entry to all-male clubs via the legal system is silly - who wants to join a club that overwhelmingly doesn't want you? Not me! But the sight of apparently well-educated men pompously defending such an indefensible position and referring to "rights" is even more silly, IMHO.
NOT 2 L8 said:
Personally I think it is a moot point and subscribe to the live and let live credo.
I agree. The "live and let live" position would be to open the doors to both genders, so I'm assuming you're agreeing with me. ;)
 
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