Peter Spann 1 Day Investor Update

The Y-man said:
I might have misunderstood your question. The Mac Newton Specialists Funds are 10 separate funds in their own right. From my understanding, only ONE of these - the Multi Strategy Cap Protected fund is cap protected. This is the one PS talked about end of 2005. Series 1 is closed.

Cheers,

The Y-man

Series 2 is open.

http://www.macquarie.com.au/retail/acrobat/emg/newton_capital_protected_pds.pdf

It invests in:

Special Event Fund 32.5%
Buy Write Fund 18%
Global Futures Fund 17.5%
Australian Absolute Return Fund 10%
Income Timing Fund 12%
Asia Statistical Arbitrage Fund 10%
 
PDS question 1:

Just wondering what would be the scenario/s that would dictate that the distributions be reinvested back into the fund.

BF
(More Q's to come)
 
Today's Melbourne event

Who is going to the investor update today in Melbourne? I would love to meet you guys at the event.

Cheers

OC1
 
Oh yeah,

Got hold of the Pairs Hilton book - are we supposed to read the text or look at the pictures in great detail? :p

Cheers,

The Y-man
 
The Y-man said:
Oh yeah,

Got hold of the Pairs Hilton book - are we supposed to read the text or look at the pictures in great detail? :p

Cheers,

The Y-man

Y-Man,

Save looking at the pictures unitl you get her movie ;)
 
Peter and/or Darren

My understanding is that the two strategies employed in the Equity Enhanced Fund perform best in a rsing market. Given the market correction over the last week or so, any comments about how these strategies will perform in a falling and/or flat market?

Also the fund allows Macquarie to switch allocations between funds when one is performing better than the other. When I spoke to Macquarie, they said it will only be between the two strategies in the fund and not to another Macquarie fund. Is that correct?

Gazza
 
gazza said:
My understanding is that the two strategies employed in the Equity Enhanced Fund perform best in a rising market. Given the market correction over the last week or so, any comments about how these strategies will perform in a falling and/or flat market?

Firstly let me say that I do not believe what has happened in the last week in the share market as a correction (at least yet - if it continues, maybe). At this stage it is no more significant then a low clearance rate at auction one weekend.

But to your question - the Buy Write performs quite well in a sideways market as long as there is sufficient volatility for option premium to be high enough to justify the exercise.

In a falling market it can perform well if the option premium is high enough but this is not optimal for the strategy.

The Income Timing Fund can work well in all markets but is ideal for a upwardly moving market. It will work in a flat market easily if dividends are good but again is not optimal for a falling market.

gazza said:
Also the fund allows Macquarie to switch allocations between funds when one is performing better than the other. When I spoke to Macquarie, they said it will only be between the two strategies in the fund and not to another Macquarie fund. Is that correct?

This may seem odd by whoever you talked to at Macquarie was wrong - they can move into any of the Macquarie Proprietary Trading funds.

My suggestion is you call my team on 1800 000 369 if you have any more questions.
 
Peter

Sorry about harping on about the same question but just some feedback on this issue. I phoned your customer service team with a couple of questions, one was to confirm that Macquarie could reallocate the money invested outside the two products in the equity ehanced income fund, should it be in the client's best interests. The person i talked to, said they thought it was only between the two funds themselves. when I suggested otherwise (based on your reply here on the forum), I was told a more senior person would phone me back with an answer. That was Thursday morning and as yet I haven't heard anything.

BTW when I asked another person at Macquarie the same question, they said it was a Freeman fox fund and weren't able to comment and that I should speak directly to FF.

Gazza
 
Movement into fixed securites

Hi guys,

Just got back from holidays and finally got around to reading the PDS. From what I understand about the knockout curve it is breached it means all the investments will be moved into fixed interest securities.

The knockout level from the PDS is the amount of capital in the fund at any point in time to achieve the capital protection amount at expiry.

so if my understanding is right if i invest $50K i.e. $50 capital protection at maturity. assuming fixed interest returns 6% p.a.

at day one the knockout level would be $50K / (1.06)^7 (7 year investment) = $33, 252.86.

Thus my understanding is if on day one if there is a huge share level correction such that the original share portfolio worth $50K is now worth $30K then all the funds would be sold and moved into fixed interest securities until expiry earning about 6% a year.

Did everyone else interpret this the same way?

I dont' see it as a big issue I will most likely still invest. I understand this prob something macquarie insisted on (so they don't lose any money since they are providing capital protection).

but the gist of it is with my understanding if there is a huge share market correction the fund will earn puny returns till expiry.
 
sonic said:
but the gist of it is with my understanding if there is a huge share market correction the fund will earn puny returns till expiry.

I interpreted it similarly, and reasoned that is how they came up with the 8 year term.
 
Equity Enhanced Income Fund

sonic said:
Hi guys,

Just got back from holidays and finally got around to reading the PDS. From what I understand about the knockout curve it is breached it means all the investments will be moved into fixed interest securities.

The knockout level from the PDS is the amount of capital in the fund at any point in time to achieve the capital protection amount at expiry.

so if my understanding is right if i invest $50K i.e. $50 capital protection at maturity. assuming fixed interest returns 6% p.a.

at day one the knockout level would be $50K / (1.06)^7 (7 year investment) = $33, 252.86.

Thus my understanding is if on day one if there is a huge share level correction such that the original share portfolio worth $50K is now worth $30K then all the funds would be sold and moved into fixed interest securities until expiry earning about 6% a year.

Did everyone else interpret this the same way?

I dont' see it as a big issue I will most likely still invest. I understand this prob something macquarie insisted on (so they don't lose any money since they are providing capital protection).

but the gist of it is with my understanding if there is a huge share market correction the fund will earn puny returns till expiry.

Dear All,

Sonic's outline of Threshold Management from a Knockout perspective is conceptually accurate but I think it should be read in conjunction with other aspects of the PDS including Buy and Sell Triggers.

A Sell trigger curve is placed above the Knockout curve so that a fall in value of the underlying investments enables a portion of the funds to be switched to Fixed Interest. If this was to occur a subsequent Sell trigger is placed below the current value of investments along with a Buy trigger above the current value of investments. If the underlying investments were to then rise above the Buy trigger the underlying investments would then be theortically fully invested again assuming one sell trigger and one buy trigger were breached under this example.

The whole concept of Buy and Sell triggers under Threshold management enables the funds to be potentially switched partially from the underlying investments to cash for periods of time before reaching the Knockout curve.

In an extreme example the Knockout curve could be breached before Sell/Buy triggers could be implemented. Whilst we view this as having a very low probability it is none the less a risk.

There are other ways that Threshold Mangement can work with some product providers actually taking approximately 65 to 70% of the funds received and investing these funds in Fixed Interest and aggressively investing the rest, some times with internal leverage.

From a product design perspective Freeman Fox was much happier to have the Threshold Management as outlined in the PDS on pages 13 and 14 where all of the funds are working from day 1 for investors.

Yours sincerely


Darren Brind
Freeman Fox Ltd
 
Darren Brind said:
Dear All,

Sonic's outline of Threshold Management from a Knockout perspective is conceptually accurate but I think it should be read in conjunction with other aspects of the PDS including Buy and Sell Triggers.

A Sell trigger curve is placed above the Knockout curve so that a fall in value of the underlying investments enables a portion of the funds to be switched to Fixed Interest. If this was to occur a subsequent Sell trigger is placed below the current value of investments along with a Buy trigger above the current value of investments. If the underlying investments were to then rise above the Buy trigger the underlying investments would then be theortically fully invested again assuming one sell trigger and one buy trigger were breached under this example.

The whole concept of Buy and Sell triggers under Threshold management enables the funds to be potentially switched partially from the underlying investments to cash for periods of time before reaching the Knockout curve.

In an extreme example the Knockout curve could be breached before Sell/Buy triggers could be implemented. Whilst we view this as having a very low probability it is none the less a risk.

There are other ways that Threshold Mangement can work with some product providers actually taking approximately 65 to 70% of the funds received and investing these funds in Fixed Interest and aggressively investing the rest, some times with internal leverage.

From a product design perspective Freeman Fox was much happier to have the Threshold Management as outlined in the PDS on pages 13 and 14 where all of the funds are working from day 1 for investors.

Yours sincerely


Darren Brind
Freeman Fox Ltd

Hi Darren thanks for your detailed reply. I just had a few more questions:

- How is the sell level determined?
- Given my understanding of the PDS there is no downside protection of the buy-write fund. From my basic understanding (you would know more), the fund would perform well in a rising market. but since it isn't buying puts on the stocks it buys the sell level can be breached VERY easily in even in a minor market correctino resulting in a substantional amount of funds moved to fixed interest.

i am still keen to invest but from my understanding even in a basic market correction say 10% a significant amount of funds would be switched to fixed interest correct? can u indiciate tge approximate percentage of these funds?

i know this has been brought up (and i work for an investment banks i know they are notorious for high fees). but there is a 1.15% management fee for each of the individual funds then on top of that another 1.15% management fee for the series 1 units.

there are other misc fees which i estimate add to up to a total of 2.5% - 3.0% of fees. if investments were switched to fixed interest net return would be 6% - 3.0% = 3.0% approx.

i am consdiering 100% gearing so thats a net 4.5% loss....
 
Equity Enhanced Income Fund

sonic said:
Hi Darren thanks for your detailed reply. I just had a few more questions:

- How is the sell level determined?
- Given my understanding of the PDS there is no downside protection of the buy-write fund. From my basic understanding (you would know more), the fund would perform well in a rising market. but since it isn't buying puts on the stocks it buys the sell level can be breached VERY easily in even in a minor market correctino resulting in a substantional amount of funds moved to fixed interest.

i am still keen to invest but from my understanding even in a basic market correction say 10% a significant amount of funds would be switched to fixed interest correct? can u indiciate tge approximate percentage of these funds?

i know this has been brought up (and i work for an investment banks i know they are notorious for high fees). but there is a 1.15% management fee for each of the individual funds then on top of that another 1.15% management fee for the series 1 units.

there are other misc fees which i estimate add to up to a total of 2.5% - 3.0% of fees. if investments were switched to fixed interest net return would be 6% - 3.0% = 3.0% approx.

i am consdiering 100% gearing so thats a net 4.5% loss....

Dear Sonic,

To answer your questions regarding sell triggers I will need to answer hypothetically. This is due to the fact that the investments and consequently the Sell trigger and Knockout curve are all moving targets on a daily basis. As always any comments need to be read in conjunction with the PDS.

The Sell trigger (as is the Knockout Curve) is determined by market interest rates which fluctuate on a daily basis. I am unable to quote exact rates but hypothetically say the Sell trigger for today if the fund was open was 11% below the day 1 opening price, with the knockout curve below that at say 36% below day 1 opening price.

If the sell trigger was breached in so far as the value of the underlying funds fell by 14% the Net Asset Value would be $0.86 then approximately $0.2239 in every unit would be held in fixed interest with the balance of the $0.86 in the underlying investments. The new Knockout curve would be $0.5448 and the new Sell trigger $0.6973. A Buy trigger would also be set above the current NAV with the view that once the funds had increased in value by a certain amount the funds in cash would then be moved back into the underlying investments.

I hope that you can see that the main point is to avoid a knockout curve. Hence, in having Sell trigger's that look to place a certain portion of the funds in cash and then reset a subsequent Sell trigger and Knockout curve is a way to try and protect the capital of the fund. If one Sell Trigger was breached and then another it just adds to the Fixed Interest and at the same time lowers the Knockout curve with the ability to buy back in as subsequent Buy triggers are hit. This all assumes that we don't have a knockout event of say a 36% plus fall overnight. As per my previous e-mail we view this type of fall in 1 day as a low risk event. I don't really mind if some of the fund is in cash during a potentially volatile time from a management fee perspective as I would rather the attempt to have capital protected.

In regards to downside protection there are no purchased puts. The cost would be quite high and would need to be funded out of investment returns or charged as an extra cost to the client.

The manager can however implement measures in the investment process to be more defensive. As an example if things look overheated, and we need to remember that they are looking at things all day every day, they could look to hold more defensive stocks with higher yeilds and less beta. Other defensive measures could include tweaking portfolio construction to hold more defensive sectors and writing deeper in-the-money calls.

The Threshold Management described above is essentially for capital protection but I also view it as one of the defensive characteristics of the fund for all investors. If you have traded personally you will know that if you have a bad month you reduce your exposure until you start to get it right again. I see this as good money management and one of the best features rather than a negative.

In regards to fees/costs.

Ongoing

The ongoing management fees outlined on pages 30 & 31 add up to 3.675%. A portion of this is the manager recovering an upfront entry fee paid to Freeman Fox Ltd. The Fund invests all funds initially rather than deduct an entry fee but recoups this by charging a slightly higher ongoing fee. We prefer this feature so that our clients have 100% of their investment working for them from day 1.

This may at first seem high but when you put it into context with a normal managed fund charging say 2% ongoing it is pretty good value. They trade this fund day in day out. A traditional fund manager buys and holds with minimal turnover of stock.

In addition to these ongoing costs there may be a performance fee when the fund outperforms the benchmarks outlined in the PDS. The higher the performance fee we potentially end up paying the better. This is fairly standard for a hedge fund. It is another way to ensure that they are trying to earn every cent they possibly can.

The Fund essentially deducts these ongoing costs from returns before declaring a return to clients like most managed funds. As an example if the fund declares a return of 15% this will be net of all ongoing management and performance costs. You don’t get a bill for the ongoing costs mentioned above.

Other Costs

Other costs include interest on any loan and the Put Protection. The indicative rate of 7.6% plus Put Protection of 0.20% totals costs of 7.8%. On a $50k investment the client would need to fund $3,900- from there account every year. NB. This is an indicative rate that could change prior to the investments being established.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Darren Brind
Freeman Fox Ltd
 
Hi Darren,

Thanks for your detailed post its very clear now. I wasn't clear from the PDS what the sell level actually is it wasn't specified. I.e. I can calculate the knockout level from day one if i know the market interest rate. What is the sell level it only says its above this.

I agree with your point regarding its unlikely to breach the knockout level. However in a market downturn lets say 10%, it would breach the sell curve and a bulk of the investment will be in fixed interest thus significantly reducing overall portfolio returns. And this will remain until the market recovers (which may not be possible in the7 year time period) as the manager will lose money if they liquidate their stocks. So basically u could have 60% of the fund in stocks 40% in fixed interest however because the stocks aren't returning much (i guess u still get the covered call income from them) the overall return would be lower.

Thanks for your time.
 
I'm investing in the Newton Multi Strategy - Capital Protected, it has
the 100% lend plus capital protection similar to MEEIF. The reason
that I'm not going with MEEIF is that through InvestSmart
the commissions are rebated on the Multi Strategy fund.

InvestSmart rebate the commissions on both the product itself and
the 100% loan so that's approximately 5.4% straight back to me.
They also rebate trailing commissions above $396 p.a.

Add to this the tax deduction for prepaying the interest and the
first year's payment is well and truly covered.

Here's an example (assumes 42% marginal rate + 1.5% medicare)

Loan $100,000

Interest $7,500
Rebate from InvestSmart $5,400 (3% - GST on loan, 3% - GST on fund)
Tax deduction $3,260 approx

As you can see McBank and the ATO are paying me to invest in this
product.

If you're thinking about investing in Timbercorp timberlots the news is even
better there with rebates of around 8%, wish I had of known about
this when I bought trees last financial year.

andy

n.b. I have nothing to do with InvestSmart except as a customer.
 
And of course they went to the effort of finding the products, researching them, letting you know about them, convincing you they could form part of your strategy, educating them about them and encouraging you to invest too, didn't they?
 
Peter Spann said:
And of course they went to the effort of finding the products, researching them, letting you know about them, convincing you they could form part of your strategy, educating them about them and encouraging you to invest too, didn't they?

Reminds me of ungrateful friends who piggy-back my investment decisions and show no appreciation at all.

Oscar
 
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