Property mentor - Binvested Nathan Birch

Something just isn't right about this.....

http://somersoft.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1112354&postcount=1

My specialise skill is "internet/software programmer" very good in search and find property deals on the internet. Did major renovations in many houses and made good money. Very good knowledge of council development control plans and granny flat requirements.
You don't sound like someone who needs Nathan Birch's help.

Your listed goals also don't match the services Nathan provides.
GOALS for 2014
1. Buy, demolish and build duplexes
2. Buy, demolish and build 3 lots townhouse
3. Buy, demolish and build 6 lots townhouse
4. Buy, demolish and build high rise building up to 6 levels and above.

What am i missing?

Most people who have done what you have claimed to have done (not doubting you on those things), would simply pick up the phone and talk to Nathan and work out what you need from that. They wouldn't be posting on a public forum asking for opinions about him.
 
Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that there is a definite conflict of interest with Binvested's 'service'. I guess if he is able to find a property that ticks all the boxes (BMV, good cash flow, solid fundamentals), why would he not purchase the property for himself?

From personal experience I think Binvested caters mainly those who very little to no basic knowledge of property investing fundamentals, who don't really have a plan and therefore do not know exactly what type of properties will get them to their goal or how to get started in property investing. That way when he recommends properties to those clients, the clients themselves will have very little capacity to distinguish a decent property from a bad one. Indeed if that's the case then he will only offer properties to his clients that he himself would NOT purchase so that he can have his cake and eat it too.

Generally what he does is sources 'bulk deals' worth of units or strata titled properties. From memory I think he has about 20 buyers' agent clients (at 10k a pop) going at once, which means he needs to be offering at least 20+ properties at a time for clients. For 1-2 buyers agents (him and Daniel) to be searching individually for an individual brief for 20 clients simultaneously would be nigh on impossible I'm assuming. If that's the case he has to go down the route of offering large numbers of units in big complexes in order to be able to source sufficient numbers of properties to meet client demands. However, from reading it forums and 'common sense', 90% of the time, single units in large complexes (50+ units) with high strata are generally not good for investment, although in a rising market may still end up making some equity.

By extension then, the service itself is not the same as a traditional buyers' agent where I'd imagine the agent would sit down with you to discuss your needs, plans and goals and how a particular property, go and hunt for a property for your specific needs. Even though he states otherwise, Binvested finds the properties first and then effectively attempts to 'sell' the propertiese to the buyers agent clients by trying to find reasons for why they would be good purchases for that particular client. If you engage his service, I highly doubt you would be able to have a sit down conversation with him, it's mostly communication through phone calls and also template emails written by his admin staff (with one to two sentences interspersed which are actually written by him), sent around to the clients en masse. Not to mention that none of the Binvested staff will actually inspect the properties for you, they are all bought sight unseen and with the safety net being the B&P paid by the client.

So the bigger picture is, extremely good deals he will purchase for himself and the other people in his agency, and the not so good deals are the ones which are passed on to the clients, that way he gets to make money from all types of properties on the market, whether through equity or BA fees. In conclusion, Nathan is an extremely astute businessman (particularly with his other companies MyTradesPeople, ZingerFinance etc) taking out a cut at each step of the way.
 
I certainly hope you are being paid enough to spruce your stuff

There are a lot of gullible people out there but Somersoft is one of the more knowledgeable and savvy audience

Your writing style, the more you write, the more obvious it becomes that you are either self promoting or cross promoting the guy

I suggest you give up because no one is going to take notice of such biased comments as you are wasting your time as you have no credibility

No doubt after reading a few of these comments you will simply post some further nonsense before realise you are wasting your time and never log back in again
 
I certainly hope you are being paid enough to spruce your stuff

There are a lot of gullible people out there but Somersoft is one of the more knowledgeable and savvy audience

Your writing style, the more you write, the more obvious it becomes that you are either self promoting or cross promoting the guy

I suggest you give up because no one is going to take notice of such biased comments as you are wasting your time as you have no credibility

No doubt after reading a few of these comments you will simply post some further nonsense before realise you are wasting your time and never log back in again

I'm not sure how you could interpret my post regarding Binvested as anything but negative (for those wanting to be clients at least).
 
TMNT was referring to the OP.

Not everything is about you. He would have quoted you if he was referring to your post.

pinkboy

Problem is it reads like you are responding to the post directly above your's unless quoted, like you and I have done :D

Even though I am responding to the post directly above :p
 
Problem is it reads like you are responding to the post directly above your's unless quoted, like you and I have done :D

Even though I am responding to the post directly above :p

MarkB had a good etiquette thread a while back. :cool:

Even so, some people are so fixated on themselves, they can't see the forest for the trees.

pinkboy
 
MarkB had a good etiquette thread a while back. :cool:

Even so, some people are so fixated on themselves, they can't see the forest for the trees.

pinkboy
That's unfair.

I thought tht TMNT was responding to the preceding post until I read it. I really had trouble determining who he meant.

I couldn't see a pattern in the OP's posts referred to.
 
Hello all,

Iam looking for a property mentor in Sydney and i found someone local which i beleive is Nathan Birch.

He was posted and seen almost every property magazine and tv shows in the past.

I also realised he recenly opened a property management company in the outter west.

I beleive he is setting his goals to buy more than 100 properties by the time he is 30.

Could anyone here had dealings and mentoring from him?

I've been looking for him here for posts and for some reason for the last year he wasnt actively posting?

I like to have a chat with him to join his mentoring program. Please let me know your experiences or whether to go ahead or not.

I dont mind spending $10K if necessary for the right program.


Hi Sprightly,

If you can indeed get mentoring directly from Nathan I think that this would be tremendous for your start in real estate investing.

I don't know if Nathan and Binvested offer such a service now but I do remember that a couple years ago Nathan was very accessible and spent many hrs a day on the phone assisting investors and pointing them in the right direction pro bono.

Nathan IMO is one of the best property gurus in Australia and he was very influential on my real estate journey.

I have been reading quite a few heated topics lately about Nathan but don't know the depth of them as I have not been living in the country for the past 2 years. I can say that I did get insight on Binvested and the "backroom" for over a year and the emphasis was always to always have the investors interest at heart. Issues would only occur with real estate agents due to the negotiating that would happen in order to secure the lowest possible prices for the investors.

I can comfortable say that Nathan is a true gentleman and has never screwed anyone over since we have known each other from early 2011.

Thanks for reading and have a great day.
 
I certainly hope you are being paid enough to spruce your stuff

There are a lot of gullible people out there but Somersoft is one of the more knowledgeable and savvy audience

Your writing style, the more you write, the more obvious it becomes that you are either self promoting or cross promoting the guy

I suggest you give up because no one is going to take notice of such biased comments as you are wasting your time as you have no credibility

No doubt after reading a few of these comments you will simply post some further nonsense before realise you are wasting your time and never log back in again
LOL! I was thinking this after reading about 5 posts of this thread...or maybe even less.
 
Nek,

i think you should STOP making assumption about everyone here and being suspicious.

I only wanted a honest opinion and yes iam really good with research and did a good renovation once with an IP and made money. But this doesnt make me an expert and that is why iam seeking additional advice.

Iam here before i feel everyone here is being so helpful and experienced and including yourself. I appreciate your point of view but do not like the fact that you assume i have any relations to Nathan.

I dont know the guy. Iam here to get a balanced view of a mentor. This mentor i considered is because he is in Sydney which is closed than some in other states.

Nek, if i were to assume you then i would think you had some dealings with him and things got sour and you are out there to get him back?

see not a good assumption is it.

Hopefully you will see my point of view and hopefully i can be as helpful and one day become an experienced proeprty investor to help others.
 
Don't want to sound harsh but many property mentors, gurus, etc will advertise their services to teach you how to invest in property because they can't make money themselves from investing.

"Those who can, do; those who can't, teach."

They educate themselves by reading all the books out there so they can do the talk but that's about it. They try investing themselves of course but see that it's not that easy as the books make it out to be and turn to "teaching" instead.

Successful investors will be busy investing, buying, selling and managing their properties.

Andrew
 
Don't want to sound harsh but many property mentors, gurus, etc will advertise their services to teach you how to invest in property because they can't make money themselves from investing.

"Those who can, do; those who can't, teach."

They educate themselves by reading all the books out there so they can do the talk but that's about it. They try investing themselves of course but see that it's not that easy as the books make it out to be and turn to "teaching" instead.

Successful investors will be busy investing, buying, selling and managing their properties.

Andrew

Obviously you are new here & don't know who Nathan is.

A little research will tell you that Nathan has a huge portfolio & was doing well for himself long before he started Binvested.
 
Nek,

i think you should STOP making assumption about everyone here and being suspicious.

I only wanted a honest opinion and yes iam really good with research and did a good renovation once with an IP and made money. But this doesnt make me an expert and that is why iam seeking additional advice.

Iam here before i feel everyone here is being so helpful and experienced and including yourself. I appreciate your point of view but do not like the fact that you assume i have any relations to Nathan.

I dont know the guy. Iam here to get a balanced view of a mentor. This mentor i considered is because he is in Sydney which is closed than some in other states.

Nek, if i were to assume you then i would think you had some dealings with him and things got sour and you are out there to get him back?

see not a good assumption is it.

Hopefully you will see my point of view and hopefully i can be as helpful and one day become an experienced proeprty investor to help others.

My specialise skill is "internet/software programmer" very good in search and find property deals on the internet. Did major renovations in many houses and made good money. Very good knowledge of council development control plans and granny flat requirements.

Was it just one or was it many? :confused:


pinkboy
 
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