Rent or buy, families hit a brick wall...SMH

Rent or buy, families hit a brick wall


Jacob Saulwick and Jonathan Chancellor
July 25, 2008

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SYDNEYSIDERS are caught in a bind as rising interest rates push more people into mortgage stress at the same time as the rental squeeze makes it impossible for people in some suburbs to find rental accommodation. Young families are particularly exposed.

A million households, or 15 per cent of all home-loan borrowers, could be in mortgage stress by Christmas, a report published yesterday said.

There is no relief in the rental market as a sharp fall in construction is blamed for pushing rents to new heights, especially in western Sydney.

The increased mortgage pressure would not be caused by the Reserve Bank but by commercial banks responding to global tumult by lifting mortgage rates, said the report, by Fujitsu Consulting and Wizard Home Loans.

Underlining the uncertainty faced by hard-pressed home owners, the chief executive of the Commonwealth Bank, Ralph Norris, refused yesterday to rule out further rate increases. "At the moment we see the average [funding] cost increasing on a day-by-day basis, and that's why we've had to increase interest rates out of sequence with the official cash rate," Mr Norris said.

In NSW 278,000 households are struggling to pay their mortgages, according to the report. That number is likely to reach 350,000 by December.

Young growing families were under the most pressure, said the report, based on a sample of 26,000 consumers.

More than 30 per cent of borrowers identifying as young families were under mild mortgage stress. Another 10 per cent were under "severe stress". Stress is defined as spending more than 30 per cent of income on mortgage payments.

Soaring rents are adding to the pressure, according to data from Australian Property Monitors. Canterbury-Bankstown recorded Sydney's highest rent rises in the past year, with a 20 per cent increase to $300 a week for units. House rentals in the district rose 15 per cent, to $380 a week.

Rent rises for units almost doubled Sydney's typical 11 per cent jump and matched Sydney's 15 per cent rise in house rents.

The biggest increases were in areas that attract a lot of young couples and recent migrants, with apartment rents in Bankstown and Liverpool rising as much as 25 per cent in the past year, said Peter Poulos, the principal of Home World Realty, Bankstown.

"There's no building going on, and there's just a lot more demand," he said. "We've got nothing to rent out."

Canterbury-Bankstown and Liverpool at 1.9 per cent have Sydney's tightest vacancy rate, says the property analyst, SQM Research, with about 1100 properties available for rent.

The best availability is on the Lower North Shore, at 6.5 per cent, and the Sydney CBD, at 6.3 per cent, with more than 2000 vacant houses and units.

However, they are also Sydney's most expensive districts. At $800 a week, Sydney's highest house rentals are on the Lower North Shore and units in the east and inner-city are $475.

"The overall picture remains grim for renters across NSW," said the president of the Real Estate Institute of NSW, Steve Martin. "There is only so much slack before the rental accommodation rubber band is going to snap," he said.

The Sydney rental market would remain tight as supply continued to outweigh demand in the coming years, said the head of Raine & Horne, Angus Raine. "There hasn't been any new stock of any significance being built in the past three years, so this problem will be ongoing."
 
The Sydney rental market would remain tight as supply continued to outweigh demand in the coming years, said the head of Raine & Horne, Angus Raine.

??? supply continued to outweigh demand. Shouldn't this be the other way round ?
 
"The overall picture remains grim for renters across NSW," said the president of the Real Estate Institute of NSW, Steve Martin. "There is only so much slack before the rental accommodation rubber band is going to snap," he said.

For many years, rents were stagnant and went backwards in real terms, this is just the market catching up. As renting is still significantly cheaper than owning, then IMO there is much more upside (assuming similar ecomonic conditions) to rents.
 
I liked the other related article in the SMH today too:

Forget empty nesters, meet the kippers

SMH said:
Daniel spent a year out of the family's Illawong home - spending $232 a week to share a three-bedroom apartment in Summer Hill - before he decided to skip the weekly rent bill and move back to save for a deposit. The decision is not a defeat but a sign of progression - "a stepping stone", he called it. Daniel plans to stay a year, although he could see it stretching to three....

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The demographer Bernard Salt said living at home was often a lifestyle choice by financially savvy young adults. "If mum and dad are picking up the tab, then the quality of life that you can lead is much better."
So, basically we've got a bunch of financially savvy young GenYs staying at home to save some serious cash to build up their deposits. Sounds like a smart move to me. But what happens in 3 years time when they all put those deposits down simultaneously on new properties? :rolleyes:

Sounds even better to me! :D

Cheers,
Michael
 
I am a border Gen X / Y ,

if I live at home and after 3 years time I have saved a deposit of about
200k, I can choose to stay in Aus/Sydney to pay for a mortgage
for my life, or I can choose to move to the US, at pretty much
the same salary, and can BUY a house there,

what will I do ???
 
I am a border Gen X / Y ,

if I live at home and after 3 years time I have saved a deposit of about
200k, I can choose to stay in Aus/Sydney to pay for a mortgage
for my life, or I can choose to move to the US, at pretty much
the same salary, and can BUY a house there,

what will I do ???

If you can save $200k in three years :eek:, then I would say you are laughing irrespective of where you want to live.
 
what will I do ???
Derr.. Easy question.

You'd stay in Sydney. Why move to the US when you're already on a great salary? And why join the green card queue or try and force your employer to sponsor your transfer. And why suffer the horrendous working conditions and the culture shock unnecessarily.

That was a rhetorical question right? ;)

Cheers,
Michael
 
^^^

I have been thinking the same thing. Do you know how easy it is for Australians to get working Visas in the US these days??? Look up the E-3 visa - it is specifically for Australians!
 
living at home was often a lifestyle choice by financially savvy young adults. "If mum and dad are picking up the tab, then the quality of life that you can lead is much better."


That's a big IF.


My parents choofed me out of home at 19, didn't pay one red cent to support me whilst putting myself through a 4 year degree and I thank them for it. Toughened me up. I'm glad they didn't clear a path and make it easy for me. I'm glad they didn't improve my quality of life at a young age....but still an adult....so not that young.

As my wife lived in the country, she got choofed off by her parents to go to boarding school at the age of 13 and survived AOK. At 18, she paid her way through 5 years of Uni. She toughened up as well. I was glad to meet a tough resilient woman. She didn't have the latest look and the 'must have' accessories. She didn't spend $ 300 on a haircut, or sit for hours 'doing coffee' with other pretend wannabes.

We lived modestly, chose frugality instead of trying to appear wealthy and started both a family & investing. It worked. Sacrifices were made. It wasn't easy to climb above the dross....but it was worth it.

We'll be saying goodbye to our kids at 18. They've been told as much for the past 5 or 6 years. It's now normal for them to think they need to make their way in the world at 18. They don't understand why adults live with adults....but then that's my influence simply coming out.

They know full well they will not be allowed to stay in the house, lolling about with me paying their way and my wife cooking and cleaning for them. We have no desire to make it easy for them. We wish to raise far more productive members of society than that....and I do honestly believe there is a direct link between the two.


Our neighbours are the exact opposites. One lovely couple next door are 66 & 64. Their 35 yr old son still lives at home with them. He has 4 degrees and is currently studying for his 5th !!!!....if that's possible. He tells me he is saving for a house deposit. I don't even speak to him, he commands zero respect. The father quietly and nicely asked me to have a chat with him, see if I could steer him in my direction as we are of similar ages. I told him "Mate - that horse bolted 17 years ago, she's way too late". As head of his household, that's his responsibility - not mine. He's a nice enough man - but a wet blanket.

Our other neighbours in their early 50's have four grown children still at home. A daughter who is 25, refuses to cook or clean and three sons who are complete utter lollabouts aged 23, 21 and 19.....useless the lot of 'em. They have absolutely no intention of going anywhere - life is just sterling under their parents roof. Cheap, warm, well fed and nothing to do but play Wii and X-box. Staggering. The father in this house is also timid and shy, completely bullied by both the wife and daughter. Another wet blanket.

One example of the consequences - with 6 or 7 cars in the household, parking is a right royal pain in the bum, and it spills out onto the street and affects all the other folks in the street....cos the parents insist, rightly enough I suppose, on being able to get in their driveway and park in their garage. The other 5 cars (plus friends cars) fill up the street and cause havoc for all and sundry around their place.

Begone Bernand Salt and his financially savvy "lifestyle choices". Rant off.

All IMHO of course.
 
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Great post Dazz and i agree wholeheartedly. I met a guy in his fifties a couple years ago at a business conference.

His kids (late 20s) were still at home and i asked him why they hadn't moved out he replied "we'll miss them and besides property and rent are too expensive these days"

I was absolutely dumbfounded by his attitude. Amazing shortsightedness, which of course all of this is.

He even built an extension on the rear of his house at his own expense so one of them can have privacy. Whats happening to society?

By the way, i left home when i was 18. Moved back in for a while at 20, couldn't stand it and havn't been back (to live that is).

And dont get me started on the modern trend of holding kids back a year before they start school. Apparently so they can be at the top of the class. What a joke that is.
 
I wonder if there is an expectation of boomer parents that their gen y kids will look after them in later years? Maybe that could be one of the drivers for letting the kids stay at home longer.
 
Dazz, you are 100% spot on! I didn't move out of home until I was 22 (not too long ago turned 23 ;)) and I wish my parents had of kicked me out of home when I was 18! I've done more growing up in the last 12 months moving out of home than in the last 5 years at home rent free with food bought & cooked, laundry done, etc.

I will NEVER live with my parents again, ever.

I disagree with the guy in the article saying it is necessary to live with your parents to save for a deposit with the current property market - I live in a little dump of a unit I share with another guy for $110/wk and I earn far above the average income so I could afford to live in a much nicer place with nice furniture and what not, but to me it's a matter of priorities.
 
I have to agree that leaving home straight after school was a great learning curve for me. I always had a part time job at highschool and that continued through uni - although my parents did pay some assistance to uni - the deal was $150 a week for three years and then i am on my own. That had to cover everything, and so i got a job to fund the rest.

I am now meeting people the same age as me (28) still living at home, never lived out of home, haven't saved a sent and have no idea! Its amazing the socialisation gap as well..... they just have no idea how to look after themselves! Some of them still borrowing money off their parents to "go out" and wondering why you can't come/dont want to come/ can't afford to come?.... well probably because i have a mortgage/food/councilrate/electricity/new HWS etc etc to pay this month and they dont!
 
The decision is not a defeat but a sign of progression - "a stepping stone", he called it. Daniel plans to stay a year, although he could see it stretching to three....

The demographer Bernard Salt said living at home was often a lifestyle choice by financially savvy young adults. "If mum and dad are picking up the tab, then the quality of life that you can lead is much better."

Riiiiiight...... so he's moving back in to save money to buy a house, but is already talking about being able to live much better (aka spend more on luxuries) one he's back with his parents. And can already forsee it extending from 1yr to 3yrs. :rolleyes:
 
The partner and I spent 3.5 weeks living back with my folks in between moving from the old PPOR into a rental (we were 23)...it drove me nuts and the fiance even more so!!

I can't understand some of my mates that still live at home, even though they have graduated and working full time :confused::confused:

BTW, very quick thread detour...what does your new signature mean Steve? Is 10 by 20 a financial goal?

Chris
 
That's a big IF.


We'll be saying goodbye to our kids at 18. They've been told as much for the past 5 or 6 years. It's now normal for them to think they need to make their way in the world at 18. They don't understand why adults live with adults....but then that's my influence simply coming out.

.


My wife is so eager for her daughter to leave at 18, she counts the days.

I wrote her a little program what runs on her PC at work that counts days days, minutes and seconds until the brat's 18th birdthay (it's called GUMOGAJ....Grow Up Move Out Get A Job)

Wanting them out on their one is one thing, how do you make it happen?
 
Wanting them out on their one is one thing, how do you make it happen?

Remove the financial incentives for staying at home!

Charge board comparable to rent, no free washing/food etc...contribution to utility bills. It will all add up, and for the extra independence she will most likely come to her own conclusion that moving out would be best.


Just my opinion...and I'm not even a parent so you probably shouldn't listen :)
 
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