i learned the "link please" thing from boatboy. he has been very educational.
but somehow your inability to find a link is my fault? i must be pretending to be someone else? on both forums at the same time? why would i do that? i understand why some people who want to hide their views adopt aliases on one forum or the other, but why would i adopt an alias on both forums? I joined the other forum in sept, i found out about SS in that other place and joined here in oct.. i have learned a lot in both forums, i use the same name in both places because i have no reason to try to hide from my posts. i do make mistakes in my posts, i do make errors, and i do make posts in the heat of the moment that i later regret. but i do it all under the same name. you have been reading too many conspiracy theory books.
You know that I can't post any links here even if I could find them, not to mention that you only began posting as urchin from 21Sept08.
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Originally Posted by urchin 21seot08
you dont get something for nothing, and when you look at the graphs of housing prices, it looks like a lot of people have gotten a lot of something for nothing. unbridled greed will not go unpunished, this will not last. the day of reckoning is at hand--repent!
just because you can't link doesnt mean you can't quote (as you have demonstrated). btw, i started posting sept. 9th not the 21st. i also enjoyed the way you took my post out of context: it was part of a tongue-in-cheek thread i started entitled "the bubble is my fault" and was obviously a joke and intended to be over the top, as the
smiley at the end (which you left out) helped to indicate. again, you are just making up what you can't prove.
The major obstacle to productive discussion with you is that you treat anyone and everyone who says anything mildly bearish about property as an extremo-polar bear ideologue. that isnt so. the whole reason i started with these forums is because, relative to where i was coming from, property seemed absurdly expensive in australia. so i started reading, then i found the various forums. my views that it is overpriced have been reinforced by what i have learned and by recent trends in the economy as a whole and in the housing market.
that's all. in general i don't wish people ill regardless of where they stand, though i do admit that i have encountered people on both forums that i am not particularly friendly with, and if they feel a little pain in the future, well, perhaps it will serve as a good learning experience and moderate their arrogance going forward.
So every journalist should be ignored, every analyst should be ignored, every reporter should be ignored unless you have ok'd his/her financial portfolio? So we have gone from discussing the content of the article to dismissing the person who wrote it without knowing anything at all about him/her? That sounds like an enlightened approach.
We've learned from the other site, isn't that what you do ?
And btw, that is an excellent policy. Just ask anyone who listened to them a few months ago and locked in their rates at 8% or more.
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again, please show me where i am doing that. i am not the site, i am me, many people post on that site, i do not represent or agree with all of them. when i see articles that seem wholly biased and blatant spruiking that are not borne out by the facts, i post to that effect. if you want to argue the facts of the article, by all means please do so. but all you have been doing is attacking me with lies and misrepresentations. there is a difference you know.
You do that while waiting for the 50% price falls as well or as you put it " i am happy to sit back and let prices continue to drop 5% a month for the next... 10 months or so " Sorry, no links either.
yep. i was posting on a dramatic drop in ACT house prices month over month as indicated by the allhomes report and the first half of the sentence was "given the added risk as a result of house market crashes, banks folding, and a weakened economy, i reckon prospective buyers are going to sit things out for a while"
i don't think i have ever misrepresented my stance on the housing market and if you are incapable of comprehending a bit of exaggeration when you see it, well that's your problem mate--it was pretty clear in that forum, at least, that i was not claiming that prices would drop 50%+ in 10 months. but yes, as a general principal, i think that if prices are falling rapidly and there is no pressing need to buy, it is probably better to wait. perhaps you disagree?
and in any case... what is its relevance? how does this relate to the issues we had been discussing? oh yes, i forgot. this is your favorite strategy, isn't it? when someone calls you on something you made up you pull a red herring out of your hat and throw it at them as though it were an insult. how is this a rebuttal?
its not that we don't listen but more like we don't agree with you. After all it would be very foolish to take financial advice online from a stranger who may not have any practical experience and very likely has ulterior motives, would it not?
yes you would be an idiot to take financial advice from an anonymous internet poster. my "vested interests"? thats a bit of a joke. i want property to fall and have shouted it from the rooftops but i also am aware that my wants have nothing to do with how things will pan out. it is laughable that people might think i am trying to sway a trillion dollar market. please... nor am i trying to give financial advice in any way shape or form. i thought we were having a discussion on the housing market economy, as the forum title indicates. that is what i was talking about. in the whole "vested interest" debate there are heaps bigger fish to fry than me.
as far as "agreeing" versus "listening", it is (i know this will come as a surprise) entirely possible to have a civil, interesting and education discussion with someone you don't agree with. i have had many with people on this forum and i think i am the better for it. but when you resort to snide remarks, misrepresentation and simply making stuff up it is not a discussion. it is you simply trying squash the other side for the hell of it. when you are not reading in good faith but reading only in order to pick apart the other guy, you aren't listening. because you don't care what the other side has to say, you just want to make your and if that involves deliberately misrepresenting what people have to say, that seems to be fine with you.
I'm sure he was and so am I, only wish I listened to the guy who sold me the first one in the 80s and bought the other 2 blocks he was selling as well. Large blocks with ocean glimpses for $16K and less then 5min from Freo, now how can you go wrong with that
yes, that would be one of the posts written in the heat of the moment that i regret upon further reflection. good for you having the insight and wherewithal to make a good investment. i have no way of knowing your investment history, i simply extrapolated from your online persona and imagined how you would be as an investor if you had the same extremely narrow view of the world.
I couldn't seriously talk to you about supply and demand, seriously. I've seen your arguments about how the fall in building approvals because it was cheaper to buy was going to cause property prices to fall because of a pent up supply of houses and a lack of demand from buyers (or something to that effect)
that you cant seriously talk to me (or anyone with an opposing view) is eminently obvious. it would be interesting to see how you would translate a glut of properties on the market, a dearth of buyers and a lack of people interested in buying new properties into a near term positive for sellers... but i think i will spare myself that bit of tortured logic.
bye bye , I'm sure you'll be back here as soon as you get your PPOR if not earlier.
yes, on the one hand i should abandon the board if i insist on getting myself involved in fruitless conversations with people who are not arguing in good faith. absolutely no doubt about that. i will try much harder to avoid getting enmeshed in pointless arguments with people who have no intention of listening. i do apologize to other forum viewers if i have been throwing petrol on the fire. i will do my best to ignore ignorant posts in the future.
