Sim: why the Removal of derivex Product Line thread and "troll" reason...

[Ruby]

Sim,

On several other forums, I have seen disclaimers along the lines of :

"The views and opinions expressed on this forum are those of the individual poster and not of (the forum provider). As such (the forum provider) assumes no responsibility for any comments made that may be viewed as offensive, defamatory, etc".

Is it not possible to implement a similar safeguard on SS ?

BTW - I'm not having a go at you. Merely offering a suggestion

T.

Sometimes it just pays to look

http://www.somersoft.com.au/forum.htm

 

[MichaelW]

Guys,

The law is not necessarily logical or common sense. In particular defamation defies this test. My understanding from my wife, a solicitor, is that a statement doesn't even have to be false to be suable for defamation. That is, you can say something that is entirely true about someone, but if it causes them to lose income or standing in the community, then they can sue you for defamation. Arguing that your statement was factual is no defense under the law.

My advice, never say something bad about anybody regardless of whether it is the truth or not. Its a legal no-go zone.

Cheers,
Michael.

 

[Simon]

Guys,

My advice, never say something bad about anybody regardless of whether it is the truth or not. Its a legal no-go zone.

Cheers,
Michael.

Is bad manners too


Simon

 

[qaz]

My advice, never say something bad about anybody regardless of whether it is the truth or not. Its a legal no-go zone.

Micheal Whyte is crap

 

[MichaelW]

Micheal Whyte is crap

Right that does it! Its a good thing noone takes your posts seriously qaz or I'd have to sue!!

Cheers,
Michael.

 

[Aceyducey]

Tandella,

Regardless of whether a statement is true and regardless of whether there is a disclaimer on a forum, the forum can be successfully closed down by someone suing an individual posting a thread for defamation - even if that's the first post ever made by that individual.

Effective moderation is a must. Which is why I have always been very surprised that Steve McKnight opens himself up to legal action the way he does with PI.

Cheers,

Aceyducey

 

[quiggles]

My understanding is that to prove defamation, you have to show that the person (in this case Jan and Ian as publishers) made the statement (i.e. allowed someone to post it) and that it caused you damage. Truth is not a defence, or more precisely truth is a partial defence. The defendent (still Jan and Ian, although the poster may also get bound up in this mess) needs to show that revelation of the fact was in the public interest.

Obviously, dark reflections on someone's integrity is going to fail the truth test to begin with, unless you can prove that you had a factual basis for those reflections at the time of defamation. I'm not a lawyer etc, etc.

You'll note that politicians bring a lot of defamation suits, not to bring to court but to shut critics up. Of course they can stand up in Parliament and say things about anyone under Parliamentary privilege. That's not available to the rest of us.

I reckon a moderator should probably lock this thread. But then I'm a trouble maker.

 

[Patosan]

I'm with Sim,

Regardless of the legal aspects there just wasn't anything new.
The flaming was mildly entertaining but then again it too became boring.
Hell the threads were closed down not deleted ... what's all the drama.
Once some real news comes to light start a new thread based on the facts.

On a different angle I'd suggest that Sim and others aren't being paid yet to do such a wonderful job. So we should be extremely tolerant of them, almost as much as they are tolerant of our rantings and ravings.

Bye Sim, your ever obedient servant
Patrick

 

[agent 86]

Couldn't of been said better, Patosan.

A86

 

[ArJay]

Yep I'm in total agreeance with Pat and A86... most of the DeriveX related threads have been utter dribble as of late IMHO.

Close'm down whatever Sim....better than this he said she said blah blah zzzzzzzzzzzz...... it's no longer a debate it's a flaming hunk of troll turd

When some decent info comes to light then let's discuss things. Otherwise why don't we spend our energies doing something like....say.....property investing?

ArJay

 

[MichaelW]

Arjay,

Thanks for bumping this otherwise dead thread back to the top, even if your post was suggesting the thread is a waste of time. I'd sort of hoped it had died of neglect...

Doh, am I guilty of my own accusation!! Nah, it was already bumped...

Cheers,
Michael.

 

[Peter 14.7]

Sometimes it just pays to look

http://www.somersoft.com.au/forum.htm

Great Idea Ruby

That link goes to the First Page of the Forum.

To clarify some posts here re closing threads, who owns the forum, etc. here is the entire first page with the answers from the owners highlighted in bold.

The Somers position is clear, easy to follow, commonsense and most importantly, common courtesy.

Please take the time to read before posting further.

Peter 147

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[Brizzy Boy]

Hi Guys,
My 2cents worth, I am new to investing and new to this forum, am on an enormous learning curve, most of which comes from all the wealth of knowledge that all of you have, so the way I see it, I would not like anything to jeopardize this forum as I said it is one of my tools for learning as I am sure it is for many others.

Many Kind Regards
John

 

[Sim]

Thanks for the kind words Brizzy Boy - I hope you do indeed manage to learn all that you need to become successful.

I think that's a good place to leave this thread.