Smoke Alarm "Compliance"

Hi All,

Is anyone getting similar experience from their property managers. It seems to me more and more real-estate?s see that rent roll in and just have to get their little mitts on as much of it as possible. I mean seriously they charge roughly 7% and from my experience they collect rent. Keep in mind most of this is automated these days with the programs they all use. My fee is 5% rent collection and 2.2% management. What the hell they really do for the 5% is beyond me. And only 2.2% to manage my property. Shouldn?t this be the other way around. But I digress.

There seems to be a new trend of must have ?Fire Service Compliance?. And promoting companies like 1300 Smoke Alarms.

From my research in NSW at least, is the following:

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/f...d/Starting_a_tenancy/Safety_and_security.page

Responsibilities of landlords and tenants under the Residential Tenancies Act are:
? Landlords are responsible for installing smoke alarms in rented premises.
? Landlords have the right of access to rented premises to fit or maintain smoke alarms after giving the tenant at least 2 days notice.
? Neither the landlord nor the tenant are, except with reasonable excuse, permitted to remove or interfere with the operation of a smoke alarm fitted in the rented premises.
? Where a smoke alarm is of the type that has a replaceable battery, it is recommended that the landlord put a new battery in at the commencement of a tenancy.
? After the tenancy begins, the tenant is responsible for replacing the battery if needed. Fire and Rescue NSW can assist elderly tenants or those physically unable to change a smoke detector battery.
? The condition report includes a specific reference to smoke alarms so that tenants and landlords are able to note and comment on the presence of smoke alarms at the beginning and end of the tenancy.
Whilst I do concede if it was to stop working or malfunction then it would need to be fixed. Most smoke detectors can be bought at Bunning?s for around $20.
It seems to me they are starting to push this more and more because they get kick backs.
My real-estate has stated they no longer check smoke alarms because they are not qualified. What to push a button. Wow. Something else they no longer do for their fees. Surely if I do use a smoke alarm ?compliance? company they will give me some of my management fees back. Yeah right.
And what compliance? There is no such legislation from what I can find.
The real-estate is pushing for a signature on the form which state.? I do not wish to use any of these services. I do not wish for my property to be enrolled in any of these compliance services. I take full responsibility for the Smoke Alarms, Safety Switches and or Corded Windows.? How can you take responsibility for that. Safety switches. For god?s sake you would have to be an electrician to even consider signing that.
I also note that it could potentially negate landlords insurance.
Exert from landlords insurance policy booklet:
We will not cover you if liability arises or
results from:
? you agreeing to accept liability for the claim


Of course this is all my opinion but I am very keen to hear what others have to say. And what do others think about real-estate agents being more regulated and not being able to scare monger people with what I can tell is absolute lies. They seriously seems to make up more crap every week.
 
I was told by my PM that if I don't get an electrical certificate for safety switches and hard wired smoke alarms every year, it would void my land lord's insurance. I don't have land lord's insurance, so I can't check the policy, but if the policy required a certificate, I would get it done.
 
I send an email to my re's saying to pass it on to the tenants which says "It is law that the battery be changed and I can make a time to come and do it, otherwise if you would like to change it yourself you must send me an email comfirming you have carried this out" First time around nobody answered so I emailed again saying I was coming in on such and such a date. Straight away got an answer back. It has worked every time as tenants dont want the owner coming around.
 
I don't know which state your IP is, however here is the fact sheet information in QLD.

http://www.rta.qld.gov.au/Resources/Fact-Sheets/General-tenancy-fact-sheets/Smoke-alarms-fact-sheet

as you can see, smoke alarms are governed by the Fire and Rescue Service Act 1990.

Yes I am aware that a few agents thought that they could assist landlords by doing some of the required steps, until their insurer pointed out, that there is more involved than taking a stick and pushing a button. Its the landlords responsibility at commencement and renewal to have the alarm checked and cleaned. Now does not testing the status of the battery come under "testing". If the low battery alarm sounded within a short period of time after a landlord responsible test was conducted, who would be responsible for its replacement?

I must say I am not absolutely certain, however if it went to QCAT, then I doubt if a landlord would be successful.

Did you note that the alarms need to have a minimum life of 10 years, and you need to record the date, that is stamped on the alarm and replace before expiry. I don't know that the 20 buck ones from Bunnings fit the bill.

Over the years, the additional legislation has been interesting, and yes the software we use is far more sophisticated. We are now paying monthly the price we used to pay annually.

Don't bucket on your PM. At the end of the day, the LL and PM should be working like partners to achieve the best outcomes. If either one, has unreasonable expectations of the other, things go pear shaped.

Make an appointment and visit them. Tell them your feelings, perhaps they have not completely explained what they do for their charges.

I do appreciate that our LL's are looking for value for money, as they do in what they do for a living.

Hope it works our for the best.
 
...Of course this is all my opinion but I am very keen to hear what others have to say. And what do others think about real-estate agents being more regulated and not being able to scare monger people with what I can tell is absolute lies. They seriously seems to make up more crap every week.

I used to get angry at tax time seeing all the fees add up across multiple properties. I remember when I first started getting the new requests for $97-99 bills per property on top of everything else for the smoke alarm legislation, and also offers for heater testing etc. with another fee on top. It could always be worse...I used to think 6.6% was a lot until 7.7% became the norm with mine, & the management fees for my new IP in 2014 are closer to 9.5%

I'm happy I am progressing forward financially with every IP and as long as I am covered under state or whatever legislation, let them have their fees, & I'll have my profits...in the end I have learnt getting angry serves no purpose.
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...Don't bucket on your PM. At the end of the day, the LL and PM should be working like partners to achieve the best outcomes...

+1 - agree.

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Yes, it's a load of BS. Check previous threads.

I love how they say they 'are not qualified to check the smoke alarms'.

Last time I was at school I can't remember seeing any courses on getting your 'Smoke Alarm Tester's' qualification.
 
I love how they say they 'are not qualified to check the smoke alarms'.

Last time I was at school I can't remember seeing any courses on getting your 'Smoke Alarm Tester's' qualification.

You probably don't recall the course on becoming certified to install and maintain fire equipment either. A smoke alarm is fire equipment.

If your property had a fire extinguisher as part of the prescribed fire equipment, you would be paying to have that pressure tested also.

The PM may have not explained their inability to provide this free service adequately. The PM would not be INSURED to test the smoke alarm. I know that when I was in Property Management, our professional indemnity insurance did not cover us for anything to do with smoke alarms.

If your PM tested it incorrectly, and someone died in a fire, your PM could go to jail. Real Estate agencies will not risk losing it all because their clients don't want to pay $80 per year to do something that it is their statutory obligation to do.

Matt
 
Matt... surely you can understand the landlords frustration here.

Smoke alarms are hardly highly complicated equipment. They sell them at Bunnings for $7.90 and there are simple how to guides on how to install them:

http://www.bunnings.com.au/diy-advi...afety-security/how-to-install-smoke-detectors

This implies they are not specialist equipment and you don't need a qualification to install or maintain. If this were true, Bunnings would say 'please get this product professionally installed by a qualified person', in the same way it doesn't provide instructions on how to wire in a light socket. Look at the maintenance instructions, it's 'press the button' and 'clean dust' - any idiot could do that.

Surely most of the smoke alarms installed in Australia are stick on DIY jobs and everyone seems to be surviving just fine.

It seems our gripe is more with the insurance companies, rather than the PM's. It's just another typical example of a** covering, blame shifting, rorting (providers with kickbacks to PMs) and lack of common sense.

Matt - did you ever get a referral fee from a Smoke Alarm installer? Obviously I don't know you so I have no idea if you'd answer honestly.

Also, why don't the PM's work with us landlords and let's have the tenant do these basic steps.
 
We offer a smoke alarm maintenance companies services for landlords. We get no kickbacks, every 6 monthly inspection we test the smoke alarms to see if they're working, however, if something happened and there was an investigation into a fire we could say we ask tenants to change the batteries and check every 6 months but we aren't qualified fire safety inspectors. It's just something landlords have the option of taking up to cover them selves. It's not compulsory, we charge no fees for the service, only the company does.
 
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