Sponsoring 457 Visa holders and public school

[jrc]

You should bear in mind that at least in NSW public schools can charge 457 holders

http://theconversation.com/free-universal-education-not-if-your-parents-are-on-a-457-visa-17055

 

[Norwester]

INVSTOR,

Do you think it would still be necessary today?

With the current unemployment rate, the unemployment under reporting, and the very high youth unemployment.........absolutely not, unless it is a proven requirement, although that is often were the subterfuge takes place...

My industry....

In the 90's *we* privatised everything in government instrumentalities that we could think of. A result of that was a complete decimation of all the specialist "niche" trade training.....

In the "naughties" it got incredibly busy..........but the skill pools had been depleted......oh dear....too late.

(rather funnily a lot of my peers had left the industry (even in the Northwest) and were in England at the time due to their skills shortage in the same industry.......lol)

Enter the 457.......

Its the abuse of the system that concerns me, more than the system itself. If a random audit of 1% picks up the amount of issues clearly reported in that FairWork report then surely its a fair bet to extrapolate those figures.....

And what annoys me the most is every time one of these scams is taken apart, it always seems to have been perpetrated by their own countryman....not Bob aussie (if you get what I mean).

Ciao

Nor

(and I'm always nice.......)

 

[westminster]

Do you think it would still be necessary today?

Most of the people I've met are on contracts for years so quite different to your experiences? or were these roles also for years?

Let's keep it nice people! I'm sure everyone has had different experiences and no need for personal attacks.

Yes probably still necessary as it is a specific skillset that is more prevalent overseas.

These contracts were only for 12mths as it was for a project. It is always hard to get people to leave or compete with permanent roles or longer term contracts.

 

[jerrybee]

And what annoys me the most is every time one of these scams is taken apart, it always seems to have been perpetrated by their own countryman....not Bob aussie (if you get what I mean).

The countrymen yes, but it's Bob aussie hiring the labour contractors that ultimately turn the blind eye.

But, I do get what you're saying. It's sickening. I watched this doco and had to shake my head - the scumbag labour contractors / countrymen and the equally culpable guys at the top (Coles, Woolworths etc) that say "hey, we're not responsible for what our labour contractors do!"

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/05/04/4227055.htm

 

[Norwester]

The countrymen yes, but it's Bob aussie hiring the labour contractors that ultimately turn the blind eye.

Agree entirely.

Ciao

Nor

 

[Norwester]

For those who wanted examples....

A more recent example.....

Ciao

Nor

 

[DavidMc]

I work in IT so I've only seen abuse of the 457 program.

10-20% are good however 80%+ are absolutely clueless so much so I'd call it resume fraud. Falsified degrees, certifications obtained via cheating in exams / bribing exam hall security guards, purchasing leaked answers or even paying someone else to sit the exam - I've seen the lot.

I had to train many of them up from scratch, surely training up a local grad would have been better for the country.

Personally I don't blame the individual themselves, they're just trying to do the best for their family.

It happens due to the many people in very senior decision making positions (Aussie Aussie) not knowing much about IT and looking for the lowest daily rate possible. These are also the same people who 'couldn't be stuffed' running a graduate intake program or hand selecting, building and growing a team so they just hand the keys of the IT department (or a project) over to one of the big offshorers (IBM, Accenture, InfoSys, Wipro, Tata, etc).

These big offshorers will then cycle their bottom of the barrel resources through projects and just seeing what sticks / what they can away, training them up at the cost of the client.

Keep me employed fixing things up on the bright side.

 

[hematite]

Oh pull your head in.

I gave real examples. I was a manager of 10 people on 457s. They were French, Italian, Thai and Indian. I worked with an an additional 10 457s from UK and US.

In my example yes sometimes they are willing to be paid less than local labour, is it an abusive subsistance pay? no. Is it a fair amount for the role? yes. I required degree qualified engineers and geologists for a project and it was impossible to compete against the FIFO pays, no one local would apply for it because it was not a permanent role and wasn't as high paying as a FIFO role. There was also very few experienced staff available in Australia due to the nature of the roles.

There was no stealing of local jobs. I work in an international industry where people move country to country all the time following the work.

My company had plenty of 457s. Many of them had masters degrees, phds and were very good at their job. At the time, the industry was scrambling for people and they looked all over the world. Lots of them are now PR. It worked out well for everyone.